Training while fasting

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    You can lose the same amount of weight/fat without fasting.
    Maybe but Iíve found it to be a very useful tool and itís yielding fantastic results.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    Maybe but I’ve found it to be a very useful tool and it’s yielding fantastic results.
    A lot of people really enjoy IF and see better results with it compared to a more standard diet. I think your diet strategy is perfectly fine for what your goals are. If you were trying to bulk, it might not be optimal; but for cutting I think your plan will work well.

    How long are you planning to cut for?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    Also when you IF the longer you stay fasted the better the results so if I break it after training at 730 am then Iím not getting as much out of it. That was the whole premise of my post.
    IF never been proven in controlled trials, to be better than any other strategy for fat loss - same goes for any other (keto, 6 meals a day, etc...). comes down to energy balance at end of day/week/month - not sexy, and doesn't sell books and supplements, but there you have it. just like for *some* people, keto makes them not hungry, IF does same for *some* people - but it still the deficit when all told. also, as far as *performance* - count number of gold medal hopefuls that do anything fasted. weight lifting is glycolytic - you most definitely are sacrificing performance doing it fasted. if fat loss is *primary* goal, and IF keeps you from blowing the diet, and you don't mind not having maximal performance - then it's fine. but like mr. ant said - you can do exact same result by training fed and just sticking to daily deficit.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by DaeshDontSurf View Post
    IF never been proven in controlled trials, to be better than any other strategy for fat loss - same goes for any other (keto, 6 meals a day, etc...). comes down to energy balance at end of day/week/month - not sexy, and doesn't sell books and supplements, but there you have it. just like for *some* people, keto makes them not hungry, IF does same for *some* people - but it still the deficit when all told. also, as far as *performance* - count number of gold medal hopefuls that do anything fasted. weight lifting is glycolytic - you most definitely are sacrificing performance doing it fasted. if fat loss is *primary* goal, and IF keeps you from blowing the diet, and you don't mind not having maximal performance - then it's fine. but like mr. ant said - you can do exact same result by training fed and just sticking to daily deficit.
    Well said.
    I would like to add as a supplement
    Joe rogan podcast with Dom díagustino & layne norton they hit some good points

  5. Quote Originally Posted by DaeshDontSurf View Post
    IF never been proven in controlled trials, to be better than any other strategy for fat loss - same goes for any other (keto, 6 meals a day, etc...). comes down to energy balance at end of day/week/month - not sexy, and doesn't sell books and supplements, but there you have it. just like for *some* people, keto makes them not hungry, IF does same for *some* people - but it still the deficit when all told. also, as far as *performance* - count number of gold medal hopefuls that do anything fasted. weight lifting is glycolytic - you most definitely are sacrificing performance doing it fasted. if fat loss is *primary* goal, and IF keeps you from blowing the diet, and you don't mind not having maximal performance - then it's fine. but like mr. ant said - you can do exact same result by training fed and just sticking to daily deficit.
    Actually in controlled settings TRF showed a decrease in fat mass when carlorie intake was the same as a normal diet. Doesn’t really matter, but it also showed a drop in anabolic hormones like IGF1 and test. But this could be due to TRF probably peaking at different times than regular diet.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rockzilla View Post
    Actually in controlled settings TRF showed a decrease in fat mass when carlorie intake was the same as a normal diet. Doesn’t really matter, but it also showed a drop in anabolic hormones like IGF1 and test. But this could be due to TRF probably peaking at different times than regular diet.
    have not seen that one (yet - so many, really - lots of ramadan) - you have link? thanks!

  7. following this one with interest as I'm doing the same, tried a while back and consistently lost 1kg per week with eating whatever I wanted.

    if you have access to dexa or body comp scanning may be worth measuring whether you go catabolic.

    another idea is to stop eating at 6pm and bring your eating window forward by 2 hours to make the morning session a non issue.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by btothefman View Post
    following this one with interest as I'm doing the same, tried a while back and consistently lost 1kg per week with eating whatever I wanted.

    if you have access to dexa or body comp scanning may be worth measuring whether you go catabolic.

    another idea is to stop eating at 6pm and bring your eating window forward by 2 hours to make the morning session a non issue.
    I have been trying different windows of time but I havenít really had the best results with it this far. I dropped my calories down a little more to see if thatís the issue (probably is). I havenít found that itís that bad waiting to eat until 11 or 12. I just drink water and black coffee all morning and I donít even feel that hungry. Even now that Iím on mk677 Iím still alright in the morning.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by btothefman View Post
    following this one with interest as I'm doing the same, tried a while back and consistently lost 1kg per week with eating whatever I wanted.
    what is "eating whatever i wanted"? you mean but in deficit, yes? won't lose fat at surplus, no matter what 'method' of eating. at maintenance, re-comp possible, but becomes harder more trained/lean you get - 2.2lbs? people different, yes, but 2.2lbs per week generally requires your typical "bodybuilder cut" deficit of 750-1000 (or more)kcals. that mean consistent loss too- obviously method that cuts carbs cause rapid water weight loss, due to glycogen depletion and the 3g of water for every 1g glycogen (carbohydrate). you very fortunate if can lose 2.2lbs FAT a week at surplus/maintenance! wish i was you :-)

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DaeshDontSurf View Post
    what is "eating whatever i wanted"? you mean but in deficit, yes? won't lose fat at surplus, no matter what 'method' of eating. at maintenance, re-comp possible, but becomes harder more trained/lean you get - 2.2lbs? people different, yes, but 2.2lbs per week generally requires your typical "bodybuilder cut" deficit of 750-1000 (or more)kcals. that mean consistent loss too- obviously method that cuts carbs cause rapid water weight loss, due to glycogen depletion and the 3g of water for every 1g glycogen (carbohydrate). you very fortunate if can lose 2.2lbs FAT a week at surplus/maintenance! wish i was you :-)
    Same ha

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DaeshDontSurf View Post
    what is "eating whatever i wanted"? you mean but in deficit, yes? won't lose fat at surplus, no matter what 'method' of eating. at maintenance, re-comp possible, but becomes harder more trained/lean you get - 2.2lbs? people different, yes, but 2.2lbs per week generally requires your typical "bodybuilder cut" deficit of 750-1000 (or more)kcals. that mean consistent loss too- obviously method that cuts carbs cause rapid water weight loss, due to glycogen depletion and the 3g of water for every 1g glycogen (carbohydrate). you very fortunate if can lose 2.2lbs FAT a week at surplus/maintenance! wish i was you :-)
    funny enough its hard for me to lose fat but easy to fill out - if the protein intake is up and I'm training hard.

    for the 1kg a week it was an average but I still had 3 meals similar daily calories, no snacks but the meals were bigger. don't think there was much of a calorie difference just think it was the 15 / 16 hours of no food that done it.

    worthy of note i didn't do scans though so not sure if I lost muscle or not. also lost more if avoiding sugar. something to do with fasting and insulin sensitivity, not sure there were many obese hunter gatherers and I like the idea if raised GH levels.

    goes against all that I've learnt and used with differing in the past but it works, Joe Rogan did an interview with GSP that got me interested.

    https://youtu.be/JxjMdqevE88

    was a bit more weight loss if I was doing cardio at night, back on it again now got some life stuff out of the way, training hard again so hoping to make it a lifestyle change now as it pretty easy who do 16 hours (hardest thing is timing the training).

  12. I think fasting would be a problem if you are easy losing weight(ectomorph). But otherwise smart fapping can be beneficial sometimes.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Paulde5 View Post
    I think fasting would be a problem if you are easy losing weight(ectomorph). But otherwise smart fapping can be beneficial sometimes.
    I truly hope that was a mistype haha

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Chados View Post
    I truly hope that was a mistype haha
    Nah, I agree with him 100%.

  15. I think what you are doing is only meant to make your body shed fat. It is not recommended to workout while fasting. But if you canít avoid t then you must eat within 30 minutes after working out. Of course, your time for exercising is perfect. You can continue having it at 6- 630 and have your breakfast at 7. It is perfect and falls in your fasting schedule.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    I see this being a debate but letís go. I can only workout in the morning most days of the week and I prefer it. Iím doing intermittent fasting and my window of eating is from 12-8. My workout is usually 6-730 in the morning. AM I ****ING MYSELF WITH HEAVY STRENGTH TRAINING WHILE FASTED?
    I love training fasted. However, I am in no way as strong while fasted (training in the morning) as I am with a few meals in me (afternoon).

  17. @imasaint
    The protocol your looking for is in MARTIN BERKHANS book and was on his website...you should look into it, personally train a 430am but start feeding window at 11-12...I have done his protocol and just kept the fast going after training... for me the only difference Iíve noticed was my body tad bit warmer with martins protocol

    Hope this helps🤗

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bboyflash View Post
    @imasaint
    The protocol your looking for is in MARTIN BERKHANS book and was on his website...you should look into it, personally train a 430am but start feeding window at 11-12...I have done his protocol and just kept the fast going after training... for me the only difference Iíve noticed was my body tad bit warmer with martins protocol

    Hope this helps
    Perfect ty

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bboyflash View Post
    @imasaint
    The protocol your looking for is in MARTIN BERKHANS book and was on his website...you should look into it, personally train a 430am but start feeding window at 11-12...I have done his protocol and just kept the fast going after training... for me the only difference Iíve noticed was my body tad bit warmer with martins protocol

    Hope this helps
    Hey man, just finished the book. I practice most of his ideas already but it was a great read. Deft picked up a couple things. One thing I donít agree with is he says to drink BCAAs before and after fasted training. Pretty sure that this spikes insulin thus reducing the fat burn that comes from fasting.
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