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  1. I am sorry I am late to this - but this was me too in a way. I was around 300 at one point. I got down to about 180 and then made a final, very hard push with lots of aerobic work and very low calories and got down to about 163-165. Then one morning I just woke up with a ravenous appetite. Actually, after having gone maybe even a couple years without a donut, every morning for about a week I was waking up craving donuts. Nothing would make it stop - it actually felt a little out of control. That's the power of leptin - enough exercise and enough caloric restriction and that leptin fall can hit hard.

    Some things that will help this, IMO, are doing refeeds if you have not. Drop WAY back on your exercise level. When not doing a refeed swap the bulk of your calories to protein - I'm saying get 250-300 grams or more protein per day but keep your calories under 2000.

    Large doses of Vitamin D.

    This is some of the stuff I've learned from rebounding that I wish I had known right before I hit that point...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    I am sorry I am late to this - but this was me too in a way. I was around 300 at one point. I got down to about 180 and then made a final, very hard push with lots of aerobic work and very low calories and got down to about 163-165. Then one morning I just woke up with a ravenous appetite. Actually, after having gone maybe even a couple years without a donut, every morning for about a week I was waking up craving donuts. Nothing would make it stop - it actually felt a little out of control. That's the power of leptin - enough exercise and enough caloric restriction and that leptin fall can hit hard.

    Some things that will help this, IMO, are doing refeeds if you have not. Drop WAY back on your exercise level. When not doing a refeed swap the bulk of your calories to protein - I'm saying get 250-300 grams or more protein per day but keep your calories under 2000.

    Large doses of Vitamin D.

    This is some of the stuff I've learned from rebounding that I wish I had known right before I hit that point...
    Refeeds have helped me stay on track myself the last 6 months. I used to diet really hard, then binge it all back.

    How much Vit D?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    Honestly with the full context of everything you've told me, including the hunger and the cardio issue, you sound pre-diabetic. Obviously I recommend a zero carbohydrate diet to treat this. You really need to go and see a doctor and get some fasted blood tests done
    Iím actually at my endocrinologist right now, bloods look fine for the most part but Iíll update if anything changes.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    I am sorry I am late to this - but this was me too in a way. I was around 300 at one point. I got down to about 180 and then made a final, very hard push with lots of aerobic work and very low calories and got down to about 163-165. Then one morning I just woke up with a ravenous appetite. Actually, after having gone maybe even a couple years without a donut, every morning for about a week I was waking up craving donuts. Nothing would make it stop - it actually felt a little out of control. That's the power of leptin - enough exercise and enough caloric restriction and that leptin fall can hit hard.

    Some things that will help this, IMO, are doing refeeds if you have not. Drop WAY back on your exercise level. When not doing a refeed swap the bulk of your calories to protein - I'm saying get 250-300 grams or more protein per day but keep your calories under 2000.

    Large doses of Vitamin D.

    This is some of the stuff I've learned from rebounding that I wish I had known right before I hit that point...
    I do large doses of vitamin D and C every day just out of my multi vitamin but I do refeeds every so often just to keep the cravings down but Iíve lost about 5 more lbs according to my doctor which is always welcome! I also usually eat the same thing for my first meal and just change up the recipe a little every day so I donít get tired of it. Thereís enough variety in my meals that I donít get sick of them lol.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Refeeds have helped me stay on track myself the last 6 months. I used to diet really hard, then binge it all back.

    How much Vit D?
    Yup - easy to do. It's actually, IMO, harder to keep it off than to take it off. Taking it off is hard too, don't get me wrong - but staying there is a real trick. I've got a couple of theories on why this is, some of which I have kind of shared on here, but I don't like talking about too much in public because it goes against everything most people think they know about dieting - particularly about low carb diets.

    For instance - have you ever noticed how people who are naturally lean eat? I mean, the people who seem like they can eat ANYTHING and not gain weight?

    There are typically some things they do:

    1. They have a higher propensity to undertake physical activity - even if it's just chores around the house.
    2. They snack less and tend to eat "less" - but it's usually that they eat a small amount of something and become satisfied in most instances.
    3. They tend to eat more carbs than most people.

    1 & 2 in particular tend to seem pretty obvious, but HOW is it that they do that and obese people can't seem to get off the couch or stop eating after 5 chips and devour the entire bag? Everyone thinks it is willpower, but I think there is something else at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brain5ick View Post
    I do large doses of vitamin D and C every day just out of my multi vitamin but I do refeeds every so often just to keep the cravings down but I’ve lost about 5 more lbs according to my doctor which is always welcome! I also usually eat the same thing for my first meal and just change up the recipe a little every day so I don’t get tired of it. There’s enough variety in my meals that I don’t get sick of them lol.
    Your multi does NOT have large doses of either of those two vitamins. By large doses on those two vitamins - I take 5-6 grams of Vitamin C per day and about 20,000 IU of Vitamin D per day.

    Here's are some theoretical questions I've been developing in my head:

    1. Do you tan easily?
    2. Do you use a lot of stimulants and/or have a high tolerance for stimulants (like caffeine)?


    Also- keep in mind - I'm getting a little off track here; but it is related. I'm applying a lot of my own theories which are based on some research I've read but are yet untested.
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  6. Just to support a little tiny bit of what I said above :

    Junk food reduces Dopamine function (simplisticly)

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5578487/

    Reduced dopamine function in obesity (simplistically) makes you lazy:

    https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism...16)30596-4.pdf

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Brain5ick View Post
    I’m actually at my endocrinologist right now, bloods look fine for the most part but I’ll update if anything changes.
    What was your HA1C?
    I am a carnivore (diet based exclusively on meat)- Here is my diet and training log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/303950-im-carnivore.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    Yup - easy to do. It's actually, IMO, harder to keep it off than to take it off. Taking it off is hard too, don't get me wrong - but staying there is a real trick. I've got a couple of theories on why this is, some of which I have kind of shared on here, but I don't like talking about too much in public because it goes against everything most people think they know about dieting - particularly about low carb diets.

    For instance - have you ever noticed how people who are naturally lean eat? I mean, the people who seem like they can eat ANYTHING and not gain weight?

    There are typically some things they do:

    1. They have a higher propensity to undertake physical activity - even if it's just chores around the house.
    2. They snack less and tend to eat "less" - but it's usually that they eat a small amount of something and become satisfied in most instances.
    3. They tend to eat more carbs than most people.

    1 & 2 in particular tend to seem pretty obvious, but HOW is it that they do that and obese people can't seem to get off the couch or stop eating after 5 chips and devour the entire bag? Everyone thinks it is willpower, but I think there is something else at hand.



    Your multi does NOT have large doses of either of those two vitamins. By large doses on those two vitamins - I take 5-6 grams of Vitamin C per day and about 20,000 IU of Vitamin D per day.

    Here's are some theoretical questions I've been developing in my head:

    1. Do you tan easily?
    2. Do you use a lot of stimulants and/or have a high tolerance for stimulants (like caffeine)?


    Also- keep in mind - I'm getting a little off track here; but it is related. I'm applying a lot of my own theories which are based on some research I've read but are yet untested.
    Did you notice any benefit from 20,000iu of Vitamin D that you didn't get from placing your levels at 40-60? 5000iu a day puts me at 45 which epidemiologically puts me at the lowest risk of all cause mortality so I never thought about changing it
    I am a carnivore (diet based exclusively on meat)- Here is my diet and training log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/303950-im-carnivore.html

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    Did you notice any benefit from 20,000iu of Vitamin D that you didn't get from placing your levels at 40-60? 5000iu a day puts me at 45 which epidemiologically puts me at the lowest risk of all cause mortality so I never thought about changing it
    So - I wish I had the resources to get blood tests done; I don't. So I was hesitant to go that high - but I've since read a bunch of research showing that even being over the suggested maximal range for Vit. D has no associated health consequences...which can be taken with a grain of salt and should be.

    Also, keep in mind that I was 5'8'' and maybe over 300 pounds at one point in my life - for a loooong time. I grew up fat, lost it in junior high and kept it off for the most part through college. Then got into the real world, started working and all bets were off and I just gained like mad and didn't work out for over a decade.

    I've noticed a few subtle things since increasing my Vit. D. One is that my appetite - very subtly - has been slightly reduced. Since forever I NEVER feel full. I can eat non-stop and not feel any consequences of it. This is changing and I do have this feeling pretty often (for me) now. It's not all the time, but it happens where I stop and don't WANT to keep eating. Which is a nice change.

    The other thing I've noticed, unexpectedly, was that my stimulant tolerance fell pretty dramatically. One day I was drinking some coffee and I noticed I was buzzing. I have LITERALLY dropped a gram of caffeine powder and felt NOTHING from it. Could have slept after it. So getting a buzz from coffee was kind of new to me. Then I noticed that if I drank coffee too late in the day.....I didn't sleep so well. Since that time I've had a couple people on here who were willing to experiment with 20,000 iu of vitamin D and they've also reported some reduction in stim tolerance. Still....not a large sample size, but interesting.

    Also, I am extremely white and have not had a tan in....well.....years and years. I don't get much sun with my office job and I'm constantly working - but this year my arms are tanning a little from being out a few times.

    Now - 20,000 IU may bring me to that 40-60 range...who knows? But the large doses have definitely helped me in a few ways.
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