[mickc1965]

Correct, Gluconeogenesis is both supply and demand driven and eating between .8-1.2g per LBM will not kick you out of ketosis. It may lower blood ketones by a little bit, but it won't kick you out.

Here is some cool stuff on Gluconeogenesis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9124550
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1557428

Would eating that amount of protein stop you going into ketosis in the first place?

[Wimsicle]

We are in a depleted state of muscle glycogen while on a ketogenic diet, so any excess glucose is going to refill muscle glycogen before refilling live glycogen, thus resulting in staying in ketosis.

Here is some more info on this:
http://www.ketotic.org/2012/08/if-yo...s-it-turn.html

[Wimsicle]

Would eating that amount of protein stop you going into ketosis in the first place?

I eat .8g per lbm every day and have never had trouble getting into ketosis. If i knock myself out due to a cheat meal, and hop right back on my macros the next day.. I am usually into ketosis and getting solid blood ketone readings within 23-26 hours.

However, I would probably consider myself as a 'fat-adapted' individual and that may play a part. I do believe if you eat between .8-1.2g per day, you will still have no trouble getting into ketosis.

[Woody]

What about intracarbs ?

[Wimsicle]

What about intracarbs ?

Carbs are carbs, if you eat over the allotted amount 20-30g net a day, you'll be kicked out.

I follow a TKD, consuming 15g of high GI carbs pre workout. The goal of this is to promote post-workout glycogen synthesis. It does knock you out of ketosis temporarily for a short time period (sometimes instantly, sometimes a little delayed), but as glucose goes into the muscles and insulin begins to drop back down, ketosis will start again typically a few hours after your workout.

[theodorehelle]

Thanks everyone this is very helpful.

I am going to stick to .8 -1g of protein x LBM
174g Protein
116g fat
20g carbs

I have thrown in a zero carb protein shake after my workout and right before lunch and will throw in additional protein into dinner to hit the 174 target. Would 10-20 grams of protein be optimal to consume before lifting? This would break my fast early so not sure if it would help or not.

[Wimsicle]

Thanks everyone this is very helpful.

I am going to stick to .8 -1g of protein x LBM
174g Protein
116g fat
20g carbs

I have thrown in a zero carb protein shake after my workout and right before lunch and will throw in additional protein into dinner to hit the 174 target. Would 10-20 grams of protein be optimal to consume before lifting? This would break my fast early so not sure if it would help or not.

Try 20-25g protein and 1 tbls Mct oil 30-45min before workout to Jumpstart MPS

[theodorehelle]

Try 20-25g protein and 1 tbls Mct oil 30-45min before workout to Jumpstart MPS

Ok got it. I have Brain Octane that I'll throw into a pre workout protein shake.

Thanks!