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I've been cutting for 10 months now and have recently hit a bit of a plateau. I lowered my calories from 2,000 down to 1,800 and started doing hiit and carb cycling. I'm so drained at times during the day so I was wondering if I should take about 5 days off and hit maintenance with "clean" foods, no cheating. I'm about 14% body fat and am wanting to get to 10% come summer time. I'm 175lbs, 6'0, and 16 years old. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
 
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Time off may not be a bad idea.

However, at your age, weight, and activity, you should be able to cut a wayyyy higher calories. That could be the problem.
 
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I've been cutting for 10 months now and have recently hit a bit of a plateau. I lowered my calories from 2,000 down to 1,800 and started doing hiit and carb cycling. I'm so drained at times during the day so I was wondering if I should take about 5 days off and hit maintenance with "clean" foods, no cheating. I'm about 14% body fat and am wanting to get to 10% come summer time. I'm 175lbs, 6'0, and 16 years old. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
Calories are low for your stats. What made you choose 2000 as a jump off point?
 

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Time off may not be a bad idea. However, at your age, weight, and activity, you should be able to cut a wayyyy higher calories. That could be the problem.
do you suggest I move them up to like 2200 for the cut? The problem is if i plateaud on 2,000 would more than that actually work?
 

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Calories are low for your stats. What made you choose 2000 as a jump off point?
when I first calculated my tdee it was around 2500 give or take some depending on the calculator so I went for 2,000. Should I raise them even though I hit a plateau at 2,000?
 
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when I first calculated my tdee it was around 2500 give or take some depending on the calculator so I went for 2,000. Should I raise them even though I hit a plateau at 2,000?
TDEE is highly variable from a calculator. I say always start woth TDEE and move down only if you dont see a drop in bf%
 
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I agree with the others here .... kCal's are too low. Especially considering your age. I would only reduce them by about 200 below your TDEE for starters and evaluate your progress after one week and make adjustments in small increments from that point. Too low on the kCal will slow your metabolism way down and halt progress and leave you feeling drained .... the goal is to go into a minor caloric deficit to encourage fat loss without muscle wasting ....
 

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I agree with the others here .... kCal's are too low. Especially considering your age. I would only reduce them by about 200 below your TDEE for starters and evaluate your progress after one week and make adjustments in small increments from that point. Too low on the kCal will slow your metabolism way down and halt progress and leave you feeling drained .... the goal is to go into a minor caloric deficit to encourage fat loss without muscle wasting ....
so should I just jump up to say 2,300 calories and go from there? If I plateaud on 2000 do you think this would help break the plateau or just stall it more? Thanks for your help so far guys!
 

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TDEE is highly variable from a calculator. I say always start woth TDEE and move down only if you dont see a drop in bf%
so I should bump up my calories and this will bust the plateau?
 
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do you suggest I move them up to like 2200 for the cut? The problem is if i plateaud on 2,000 would more than that actually work?
I also agree with the above two posts. Go back to 2500 or 2300 and adjust from there.

It's hard to comprehend until you see it happen, but you can definitely plateau with not enough calories, up them a little and see great progress.
 
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I also agree with the above two posts. Go back to 2500 or 2300 and adjust from there.

It's hard to comprehend until you see it happen, but you can definitely plateau with not enough calories, up them a little and see great progress.
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I also agree with the above two posts. Go back to 2500 or 2300 and adjust from there. It's hard to comprehend until you see it happen, but you can definitely plateau with not enough calories, up them a little and see great progress.
okay, I will do this, thank you! Another question, should I carb cycle with this also and should I reverse diet slowly up to 2300 or just jump tomorrow?
 
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so I should bump up my calories and this will bust the plateau?
Dropping too low could be the problem although it might also be how accurately you are measuring as well etc.

But if you are weighing and tracking food intake then chances are you just dropped too low
 

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Dropping too low could be the problem although it might also be how accurately you are measuring as well etc. But if you are weighing and tracking food intake then chances are you just dropped too low
I weigh and track everything so I'm certainly accurate, I like the idea of going up to 2,300 it will be nice. Three questions though, do I get 2,300 everyday or only on training days and second, reverse diet or just jump up tomorrow and finally, what kind of macros?
 
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I weigh and track everything so I'm certainly accurate, I like the idea of going up to 2,300 it will be nice. Three questions though, do I get 2,300 everyday or only on training days and second, reverse diet or just jump up tomorrow and finally, what kind of macros?
300 isn't that big of a jump. Just take the leap and see where you're at in two weeks.

Calories on training days and off days should typically be different, but I still wouldn't go too low on off days. Don't drop below that 2000 mark to start, and you can change that as time goes on to see how your body responds.

As for macros; like calories, they differ between people. I respond pretty well to fats but I'm trying to train my metabolism to respond well to carbs (dammit, lol). I do 40/40/20%F, but that's something you'll have to play with.

Just be consistent and you'll have a baseline to adjust.

When i first started counting calories I did 1800-2100 for what seemed like forever, and not a whole lot was happening. I just kept adding calories and was still cutting (and faster) at 3100 on training days. I wouldn't be surprised if you could add a hundred calories onto your diet every two weeks and still cut while making muscle growth.
 

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300 isn't that big of a jump. Just take the leap and see where you're at in two weeks.

Calories on training days and off days should typically be different, but I still wouldn't go too low on off days. Don't drop below that 2000 mark to start, and you can change that as time goes on to see how your body responds.

As for macros; like calories, they differ between people. I respond pretty well to fats but I'm trying to train my metabolism to respond well to carbs (dammit, lol). I do 40/40/20%F, but that's something you'll have to play with.

Just be consistent and you'll have a baseline to adjust.

When i first started counting calories I did 1800-2100 for what seemed like forever, and not a whole lot was happening. I just kept adding calories and was still cutting (and faster) at 3100 on training days. I wouldn't be surprised if you could add a hundred calories onto your diet every two weeks and still cut while making muscle growth.
Okay, thank you very much for all your help! One thing though, I currently eat 1,800 calories a day is 500 too big of a leap? I used to do 2,000 but when I hit a plateau I dropped them to 1,800 last week and integrated hiit. Also, with 500 more calories to spend I will be eating a lot more carbs which in turn will cause more water weight, is there other ways to measure progress accurately aside from the scale as I don't think it will be to accurate with that many more carbs?
P.S. I only train about 3-4 days a week, does that mean I would go like 2,000 calories on the other days I do not?
 
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When I said to lower them on non training days I completely forgot you're 16. I'd keep those the same as lifting days, tbh. And yeah, go ahead and make the jump.
 
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Oh, about BF, Google "heart rate monitor body fat calipers". They ship for like $8.
 

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Oh, about BF, Google "heart rate monitor body fat calipers". They ship for like $8.
I heard those weren't very accurate though. Also, I just really want those abs man, I'm so close like 10 more lbs to go! Should I integrate carb cycling as well?
 
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I heard those weren't very accurate though. Also, I just really want those abs man, I'm so close like 10 more lbs to go! Should I integrate carb cycling as well?
I'd start with getting your calories right before carb cycling. It may take a little bit to dial in your true TDEE.

Calipers are highly accurate if you know what you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, then you'll still get a good idea on fat loss by measuring in the same places consistently.

If you just want abs, stay off the scale and look in the mirror. ;)
 

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I'd start with getting your calories right before carb cycling. It may take a little bit to dial in your true TDEE.

Calipers are highly accurate if you know what you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, then you'll still get a good idea on fat loss by measuring in the same places consistently.

If you just want abs, stay off the scale and look in the mirror. ;)
Well thank you very much for your help, one more question, if this doesn't bust my plateau what would I do then? Drop calories or continue to raise? It just seems counter-intuitive raising them up to slightly below maintenance..
 
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Well thank you very much for your help, one more question, if this doesn't bust my plateau what would I do then? Drop calories or continue to raise? It just seems counter-intuitive raising them up to slightly below maintenance..
I understand it doesn't seem logical, Just trust the process... I wouldn't look anywhere in the near future to cut your calories below 2300, and that's probably just a starting point to add more in. If 2300 doesn't work, go to 2500 and add cardio on off days.
 
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Fwiw, my 13yo stepson probably eats 2500+ calories a day, doesn't train at all, is pretty lazy, and it seems to be his maintenance calories.
 

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Fwiw, my 13yo stepson probably eats 2500+ calories a day, doesn't train at all, is pretty lazy, and it seems to be his maintenance calories.
Alright, I'll run with that for a while, thank you so much!
 
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You definitely aren't far off. Do you also do plenty of core/ab work?
 

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You definitely aren't far off. Do you also do plenty of core/ab work?
Actually, I don't do any but was thinking of starting to do some maybe on my hiit days after im done with my sprints? I do 3 days a week of lifting, 3 days of hiit and one day off from everything.
 
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Actually, I don't do any but was thinking of starting to do some maybe on my hiit days after im done with my sprints? I do 3 days a week of lifting, 3 days of hiit and one day off from everything.
You're definitely going to want to do some ab work then.
 

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TDEE is highly variable from a calculator. I say always start woth TDEE and move down only if you dont see a drop in bf%
Agree with this. Ive been dropping fat at TDEE. Only go lower when you stall. Also you should eat at maintenance for a couple of weeks and cut cardio. Let ypur body recover a little before starting again.
 

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Agree with this. Ive been dropping fat at TDEE. Only go lower when you stall. Also you should eat at maintenance for a couple of weeks and cut cardio. Let ypur body recover a little before starting again.
I'm going to move back up to 2,300 calories which is about my tdee, and I only started integrating cardio last week. I'm just a tad skeptical that raising my calories up could fix my issue
 
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I'm going to move back up to 2,300 calories which is about my tdee, and I only started integrating cardio last week. I'm just a tad skeptical that raising my calories up could fix my issue
Ya it's kind of a difficult concept sometimes as it does get confusing, but to loose you gotta eat. To gain, you gotta eat. You're still at a deficit so you will be loosing fat just a little slower because you should be cutting pure fat and nothing else. All of this is in theory. Many factors involved.
 

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Ya it's kind of a difficult concept sometimes as it does get confusing, but to loose you gotta eat. To gain, you gotta eat. You're still at a deficit so you will be loosing fat just a little slower because you should be cutting pure fat and nothing else. All of this is in theory. Many factors involved.
alright I'll run with it and see where I end up, I guess worst comes to worst I end up maintaining my current weight
 

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Thinking of changing up my workout some more too since I will have more energy. Thoughts on doing antagonist work (chest&back day, arms/shoulders day, legs day) or any other ideas for upping the intensity/fat burn during my workout?
 
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Thinking of changing up my workout some more too since I will have more energy. Thoughts on doing antagonist work (chest&back day, arms/shoulders day, legs day) or any other ideas for upping the intensity/fat burn during my workout?
Google "programs that work 3". Could give you a lot of free programs. And they work. ;)
 

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Google "programs that work 3". Could give you a lot of free programs. And they work. ;)
and you are sure not to do some reverse dieting like 100 calories a day? I read that a jump up to 2,300 could result in potential fat gain
 
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and you are sure not to do some reverse dieting like 100 calories a day? I read that a jump up to 2,300 could result in potential fat gain
That's your judgement call. I think you'll be fine, but if you'll feel better then slowly move up to 2300. Really, I think you're just slowly the process down by waiting much longer.
 

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That's your judgement call. I think you'll be fine, but if you'll feel better then slowly move up to 2300. Really, I think you're just slowly the process down by waiting much longer.
alright then, this whole thing seems really odd about increasing calories but thank you for all of your help!
 
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alright I'll run with it and see where I end up, I guess worst comes to worst I end up maintaining my current weight
Don't worry about your "weight". Technically I have gained 3 lbs in the last 4 weeks while getting more vascular, tighter, harder and more defined around my chest and upper abs.

It's all about reducing body fat.
 
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So basically I can't rely on the scale while Doing this... Any other ways to measure progress besides pictures? I'll post pictures every week so you guys can tell if there's a difference but I'll aim for 2,300 calories a day (or just lifting days?)
 
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So basically I can't rely on the scale while Doing this... Any other ways to measure progress besides pictures? I'll post pictures every week so you guys can tell if there's a difference but I'll aim for 2,300 calories a day (or just lifting days?)
Measurements. And honestly man, it's all about YOU! It's what you want when you look in the mirror. Forget what the scale or what society says. Go achieve your goals. I would consistently eat 2300
 
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Plus at your age, your entering prime mass building years, up the calories as stated, and you'll add muscle faster, which in turn will raise your metabolism and you'll drop fat faster.
 

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But I'm wanting the abs before summer time. I used to be fairly fat and this is the only summer I will have ever been in good shape so I'm just wanting to make it happen then clean bulk after summer.
 
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But I'm wanting the abs before summer time. I used to be fairly fat and this is the only summer I will have ever been in good shape so I'm just wanting to make it happen then clean bulk after summer.
The abs will come. Don't continue to cause any more metabolic damage.
 

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The abs will come. Don't continue to cause any more metabolic damage.
okay I'll just jump to 2,300. How long will it take my metabolism to come back up to speed? The only concern is fat gain by just jumping up 500 calories
 

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Work out harder ;)

Turn those extra calories into muscle!
 
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okay I'll just jump to 2,300. How long will it take my metabolism to come back up to speed? The only concern is fat gain by just jumping up 500 calories
Nothing I say will ease your concern. Up those cals, and kill it when you're in the gym. Don't forget to do some ab work too...
 

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