cutting supplements for teenagers

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    I disagree with no supps at 17...a solid protein powder creatine and some other basics are good for someone that age to learn about supplementation and diet. And most 17 year olds can't just go buy lean meat and veggies for every day. Idk about you but when I was younger my mom would put the food on the table and I would eat it no questions asked. I needed "supplementation" to fill in the blanks of my diet hence the term supplement. A teen can almost benefit more greatly from protein powder than someone who makes their own meals every day. When your older there are no excuses for why your diet isn't on point. When you are younger 17-27 ish your test levels are through the roof and your set up to make some quality gains, why wast the best gaining years of your life?

    EDIT: People are to caught up in telling kids no. There is to much broscience with age. Just because people told you no when you where that age doesn't mean you shouldn't look at the evidence that this stuff doesn't hurt teens if used correctly. Just needed to add that.
    I agree. I started supping young, about 14yo not long after I started lifting. I was taking desiccated liver and brewers yeast by the handful, just like Arnold said he did, lol. Lysine and TwinLabs BCAAs, mixing raw eggs in orange juice, stuff like that. I was only 155lbs and wanted to make varsity and nobody was gonna stop me! But that's how you learn, starting young.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    I was a hard gainer at 16, so I don't have much cutting stupp experience as a teen, but I did get into running about 6 miles a night and finally had to just stop in order to keep from losing weight. Perhaps a nightly jog might get your metabolism fired up in the meantime, while you deciding which supps to take.

    But be careful with artificial stuff. I'm seeing a lot of solid data that many zero-cal substitutes actually promote more fat gain that sucrose, and many dieters fall into that artificial sweetener trap looking for a way to cut cals.
    Ever try a flavorless carb powder. Graaaaa oooooosssseee. Lol. It's unfortunate. But is rather drop the food dyes first
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post

    I agree. I started supping young, about 14yo not long after I started lifting. I was taking desiccated liver and brewers yeast by the handful, just like Arnold said he did, lol. Lysine and TwinLabs BCAAs, mixing raw eggs in orange juice, stuff like that. I was only 155lbs and wanted to make varsity and nobody was gonna stop me! But that's how you learn, starting young.
    Ya man iv been supplementing sense 14 also. I'm pretty sure I got sick from the raw egg mango smoothies I would make I just wanted to be the biggest baddest muthafuka in that school lol you have what 80-100 years to live? You need to start young to accomplish long term goals. I did so much training and research on diet and supplements that my lifting programs would get me 5 times the results as my weight training coaches programs. There is no one size fits all and you need to start young to make mistakes and figure out what works for you personally. Thanks for the rep too brother!
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Ever try a flavorless carb powder. Graaaaa oooooosssseee. Lol. It's unfortunate. But is rather drop the food dyes first
    Oh man, tell me about it. I can't even find a protein powder without Ace-K or a pre-w/o without a ton of red 40. I guess I could chug unflavored Perfect Isopure all day and not worry about it, but it's twice the price of CytoSport or Dymatize!

    I have an idea man. You should introduce an awesome new powder product that covers these bases: tastes great, has a practical ratio of fast and slow digesting proteins, and no artificial crap. You put it together how you want it and choose the flavors, and I'll help you finish the formulation using natural dyes and healthy low-cal sweeteners. It can be done!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    Ya man iv been supplementing sense 14 also. I'm pretty sure I got sick from the raw egg mango smoothies I would make I just wanted to be the biggest baddest muthafuka in that school lol you have what 80-100 years to live? You need to start young to accomplish long term goals. I did so much training and research on diet and supplements that my lifting programs would get me 5 times the results as my weight training coaches programs. There is no one size fits all and you need to start young to make mistakes and figure out what works for you personally. Thanks for the rep too brother!
    Yes, very true my friend. The best are the best because they were compelled to do what they do from a young age. Nobody has to be impetuous or make reckless choices when they're young, but you don't live twice either.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post

    Yes, very true my friend. The best are the best because they were compelled to do what they do from a young age. Nobody has to be impetuous or make reckless choices when they're young, but you don't live twice either.
    Exactly. I am in no way advocating for a 15 yo to start an sd cycle or to hurt themselves. I am however saying that to achieve a certain level you have to understand yourself and how your body reacts to certain training styles and supplements from a young age.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    Exactly. I am in no way advocating for a 15 yo to start an sd cycle or to hurt themselves. I am however saying that to achieve a certain level you have to understand yourself and how your body reacts to certain training styles and supplements from a young age.
    Yeah, I don't advocate it either, but I admit I started when I was 16. I actually got my stuff a few weeks before I turned 16, but promised myself I'd wait. So the day after my birthday I started! I remember being all proud of myself, for being responsible enough to wait til I was "old enough".

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yeah, I don't advocate it either, but I admit I started when I was 16. I actually got my stuff a few weeks before I turned 16, but promised myself I'd wait. So the day after my birthday I started! I remember being all proud of myself, for being responsible enough to wait til I was "old enough".
    I'm sooo much more mature...started at 17...well damn....that's out there now lol I started on my 17th bday (even pre loaded cycle assist 10 days earlier if I remember right haha). I also felt the proud feeling your talking about I'm fine now tests prove it to, how did it work out for you? I have a feeling ALOT more people on here started earlier than they let on...
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    I'm sooo much more mature...started at 17...well damn....that's out there now lol I started on my 17th bday (even pre loaded cycle assist 10 days earlier if I remember right haha). I also felt the proud feeling your talking about I'm fine now tests prove it to, how did it work out for you? I have a feeling ALOT more people on here started earlier than they let on...
    Sounds like my story alright! Glad you stepped out of the closet too. lol

    I was super conservative, because I was scared a little bit, but I wasn't stupid and I wasn't a puss either. It was my freakin' life and I could make my own mistakes. I had spent countless hours in the library and all that getting ready, and I knew that was my only shot at first string. I decided to pulse, with a taper at the end, but I guess that was more of an 80's thing. It worked great though. I only gained 10lbs, but that was incredible for me and it all went smooth. But then I got greedy on the next one, and was shut down for about 16 months. The boys finally came home but it scared me straight after that. I've had multiple docs since then and praise god I'm still healthy. I would do a lot of things different if I could, but I must say that it's my experiences and even my mistakes that have enlightened me the most, so I can't advocate one way or the other. Every man must choose for himself what is right, because it's his life to live.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    I disagree with no supps at 17...a solid protein powder creatine and some other basics are good for someone that age to learn about supplementation and diet. And most 17 year olds can't just go buy lean meat and veggies for every day. Idk about you but when I was younger my mom would put the food on the table and I would eat it no questions asked. I needed "supplementation" to fill in the blanks of my diet hence the term supplement. A teen can almost benefit more greatly from protein powder than someone who makes their own meals every day. When your older there are no excuses for why your diet isn't on point. When you are younger 17-27 ish your test levels are through the roof and your set up to make some quality gains, why wast the best gaining years of your life?

    EDIT: People are to caught up in telling kids no. There is to much broscience with age. Just because people told you no when you where that age doesn't mean you shouldn't look at the evidence that this stuff doesn't hurt teens if used correctly. Just needed to add that.
    I was referring more to the concept of fat burning supplements. At 17 its typical to be using creatine and a good whey protein, I wasn't saying that. But in terms of stims and fat burners, especially at that age, he should save his money and try to solve his body fat issue with proper cardio and diet. You raise a great point though. Age 17 is a great time to start taking the basic supps since its a prime age for growth.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by johntpatterso View Post

    I was referring more to the concept of fat burning supplements. At 17 its typical to be using creatine and a good whey protein, I wasn't saying that. But in terms of stims and fat burners, especially at that age, he should save his money and try to solve his body fat issue with proper cardio and diet. You raise a great point though. Age 17 is a great time to start taking the basic supps since its a prime age for growth.
    Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up man. Fat burner prob don't need to be used but with stims think about it..he's prob downing 500mg a caffeine a day anyway (rock stars coffee ect.) I know I used pre workout at that age! But I used it very responsibly just like every supplement. Me and my friends would actually CYLE pre workout! Hahah that way we didn't get used to it and it would hit us hard. It depends on the kid honestly. With the amount of research I had done I would have considered myself fairly knowledgable even at that young age. I have just built it from there and I'm glad I did. But you also make very good points here man, lets agree to somewhat disagree because we agree on a lot of it it sounds like! Lol
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post

    Sounds like my story alright! Glad you stepped out of the closet too. lol

    I was super conservative, because I was scared a little bit, but I wasn't stupid and I wasn't a puss either. It was my freakin' life and I could make my own mistakes. I had spent countless hours in the library and all that getting ready, and I knew that was my only shot at first string. I decided to pulse, with a taper at the end, but I guess that was more of an 80's thing. It worked great though. I only gained 10lbs, but that was incredible for me and it all went smooth. But then I got greedy on the next one, and was shut down for about 16 months. The boys finally came home but it scared me straight after that. I've had multiple docs since then and praise god I'm still healthy. I would do a lot of things different if I could, but I must say that it's my experiences and even my mistakes that have enlightened me the most, so I can't advocate one way or the other. Every man must choose for himself what is right, because it's his life to live.
    My thoughts exactly, even at a young age you have the opportunity to make a lot of choices that will teach you different lessons to create the person you want to be. And Jeez man 16 months?? What did you run your first and second? I never had any issues on the outside as far as I can remember. (my endocrine system was prob screaming though)
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    My thoughts exactly, even at a young age you have the opportunity to make a lot of choices that will teach you different lessons to create the person you want to be. And Jeez man 16 months?? What did you run your first and second? I never had any issues on the outside as far as I can remember. (my endocrine system was prob screaming though)
    dbol first, m-test second. MT is one of the worst, if not THE worst as far as shutdown. But like I said, that was high school days and you couldn't go to GNC and get good OTC stuff like you can now. I survived though, learned a lot, got a doc, and no sequela as far as I can determine.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post

    dbol first, m-test second. MT is one of the worst, if not THE worst as far as shutdown. But like I said, that was high school days and you couldn't go to GNC and get good OTC stuff like you can now. I survived though, learned a lot, got a doc, and no sequela as far as I can determine.
    Now I get the 16 month shut down. You used a serm though, right? I may have started early but I did everything perfect.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post
    Now I get the 16 month shut down. You used a serm though, right? I may have started early but I did everything perfect.
    Used a SERM? I still don't think you understand. I'm an old dude, this was back in the late 1980s. You just couldn't hit your endo up for a SERM, and the general practitioner who had been seeing you since you were 10 wasn't gonna help. There wasn't even an internet. Now I did have a commador-64 with a kickazz 36baud modem, lol, and there were "bulletin boards" where you could talk to other lifters about where to find things. But there were no websites, no RC market, not even decent over the counter AIs like today. If you wanted to cycle, you had to run a pyramid taper and pulsing was essential with no PCT. 2-3wks tops, that's all you could really get away with.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post

    Used a SERM? I still don't think you understand. I'm an old dude, this was back in the late 1980s. You just couldn't hit your endo up for a SERM, and the general practitioner who had been seeing you since you were 10 wasn't gonna help. There wasn't even an internet. Now I did have a commador-64 with a kickazz 36baud modem, lol, and there were "bulletin boards" where you could talk to other lifters about where to find things. But there were no websites, no RC market, not even decent over the counter AIs like today. If you wanted to cycle, you had to run a pyramid taper and pulsing was essential with no PCT. 2-3wks tops, that's all you could really get away with.
    That's interesting man! I am young enough I have always been able to get a serm. It's interesting hearing from someone older than me. We are totally stealing this kids thread haha I love hearing from the old school gear users! Have you kept running cycles ever sense you started in the 80s?
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  17. Agree to agree man! At 17 I was all about energy drinks and pre workouts too haha. But as far as ephedrine or clen he should definitely hold off for cutting, and DEFINITELY hold off on ph's haha. Those are some crazy stories dude! Its crazy that everyone has access to all this good info and yet you still read horror stories of people running gear without the right support. Its a shame

  18. Quote Originally Posted by johntpatterso View Post
    Agree to agree man! At 17 I was all about energy drinks and pre workouts too haha. But as far as ephedrine or clen he should definitely hold off for cutting, and DEFINITELY hold off on ph's haha. Those are some crazy stories dude! Its crazy that everyone has access to all this good info and yet you still read horror stories of people running gear without the right support. Its a shame
    I agree. Clen can be very dangerous to all ages. It's not just teens. And my main concern with ages 16-20 on PH is that %1 of them do it right. Myself an DR. D are both fine because we did research and took proper precautions (he pulsed, I use a serm) and if its an oral you take cycle support. Obviously it can mess with a teens endocrine system to. But to me it's all about research and then picking your poison. It's very possible to be on steroids from age 16 and end up just fine (you just have to do things right) but then again it changes person to person. This is just my opinion and experience though. I think PH are a great thing and its sad people abuse them and get them outlawed.
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  19. Agreed. Just out of curiousity, what ph's have you used? I'm not looking to hijack this thread but i'd be curious to see what you've taken and how you responded. I've looked a lot into running h-drol with a proper pct and cycle support, but i'd be interested in hearing what you have to say. pm me if you'd like. thanks man!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by johntpatterso View Post
    Agreed. Just out of curiousity, what ph's have you used? I'm not looking to hijack this thread but i'd be curious to see what you've taken and how you responded. I've looked a lot into running h-drol with a proper pct and cycle support, but i'd be interested in hearing what you have to say. pm me if you'd like. thanks man!
    Many. I will pm you so this kid can have his thread back
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  21. I didn't read all the post and this was probably already stated but you don't need cut supplements at 17.

    Your body should naturally be very anabolic right now at your age.

    Eat like a monster + train like a monster = look like a monster.

    I would guess both your nutrition and training routine could use help.
  

  
 

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