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    Low BF and love handles


    Actually I'm around 9% BF, but I still have love handles!

    If you look at me from the front there isn't any problem, but when I turn on the side, you can start to see it!


    During last cutting stack (ECY) I measured with skinfold a progress from 18mm to 13mm in that area, but I stop losing fat there almost from half cycle. I think I should drop around 8 to be fine.

    I heard that this kind of fat is called A2 and also can be hard to destroy cause of low blood flow in that areas.
    I was thinking about Albuterol, but the description of this says it impacts on B2 fat..


    Any advices? I would start cutting again for that next month

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    Take a look into t3
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    Is that enough or should be stacked with something else (albuterol)?

    Will I need a PCT?
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    Its goal is Fat-loss: The main use for T3. Increase Nutrient Uptake: Not very well known, but this is a great use for T3. Doses between 6.25-12.5mcg do not shutdown endogenous thyroid output. T3 at this dose can be used to add LBM and help in keeping the fat off. When doses are kept at 6.25-12.5mcg, muscles are full and rock hard, and energy is through the roof. At these light doses, it's common for people to go to the bathroom 5-6 times a day because there bodies are making more efficient use of the food they eat.
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    I would start it off by itself to see how it works. Definitely good for leaning out
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    And yes! PCT is a must
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    So it would be already more powerful than ECY stack?
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    I'd prefer not using something that will require a PCT.. Will Albuterol be a good alternative?
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    Not sure. Albuterol is a corticosteroid. So side effects will be there like steroids
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    Never tried albuterol but t3 is the best I know of and tren too
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    albuterol should be like clem but with shorter half life and less sides

    as I said I'm looking into something which doesn't needs PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by yowler99 View Post
    And yes! PCT is a must
    No need for pct with t3. Studies have shown years of "abuse" doses of 75 mcgs + being fully recovered in about 1 month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qonix View Post
    albuterol should be like clem but with shorter half life and less sides

    as I said I'm looking into something which doesn't needs PCT
    Alphamine is a good eca alternative. Otc too!

    Albuterol needs time off. Stops being effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    No need for pct with t3. Studies have shown years of "abuse" doses of 75 mcgs + being fully recovered in about 1 month.
    Oh really? Lol I guess me doing pct was overkill
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Albuterol needs time off. Stops being effective.
    Well, I won't run it more than 1 month.

    Regard to T3 I know it should be used with some anabolic as Testo, and I won't go for that.

    So I think albuterol is my best bet..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qonix View Post
    Well, I won't run it more than 1 month.

    Regard to T3 I know it should be used with some anabolic as Testo, and I won't go for that.

    So I think albuterol is my best bet..
    After 2 weeks it becomes less effective. Not a month.

    Low doses of t3 don't need to be ran with an Anabolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    After 2 weeks it becomes less effective. Not a month.

    Low doses of t3 don't need to be ran with an Anabolic.
    So at this point what would you suggest (I trust you, by your profile pic lol no homo)
    T3 low dosage (how much) or Albuterol. I would not risk to lose lvm
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    No need for pct with t3. Studies have shown years of "abuse" doses of 75 mcgs + being fully recovered in about 1 month.
    I was happy to see this post after reading the first few in this thread. Yes no need to PCT and as pyrobatt stated even abuse for years will have you recovering in a 2-4 weeks from every study I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yowler99 View Post
    Oh really? Lol I guess me doing pct was overkill
    Out of curiosity what were you using for this PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qonix View Post
    So at this point what would you suggest (I trust you, by your profile pic lol no homo)
    T3 low dosage (how much) or Albuterol. I would not risk to lose lvm
    One important mechanism you're forgetting about. Your body does not care what kind of weight it sheds so 1/2 of that may be muscle anyway. I'm a firm believer that steroids don't even stop this. Just slows it down.

    As a natural you should aim for bodyfat loss with the knowledge that you will lose some muscle no matter what.

    Although an important function called "muscle memory " will allow you to gain pounds and pounds of it back in a matter of weeks.*2 or 3 and you'll be your old lbm again*
    So basically just cut and worry about mass later.

    I've gotten to 7% natural * no eca or albuterol*and just under 6% on cycle.

    That being said diet is king. Alburterol I am unfamiliar with. T3 I suggest 12 to 25 mcgs. 50 is pushing it but shouldn't hurt depending on your diet.

    I would also start a 5x5 program while cutting. Building strenght in a cut can boost your ego and help you stay on track and not give up. Reduce calories slowly. Start at a 100 calorie deficit. Every week same day / time *morning after piss is best in my opinion.* weigh yourself. If you're still loseing don't reduce calories. Keep on. The moment where you stop loseing reduce by 100 further. Continue till your happy. Add cardio / more cardio the last 2 weeks or when you get to 2000 calories. After you are done cutting come off the diet slowly. Increasing calories by like 100 a week.

    This will allow you to lose fat and stay lean after coming off. To many calories fat will come back. Also wean off fat burners.

    Hope I helped.
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    I think that you should take care of your diet and also do some exercise first. Make sure that you take low fat and carbs in your diet and also drink more water. You can also drink green tea to boost your metabolism.But with that don't forget to do exercise. It is also most important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    I think that you should take care of your diet and also do some exercise first. Make sure that you take low fat and carbs in your diet and also drink more water. You can also drink green tea to boost your metabolism.But with that don't forget to do exercise. It is also most important.
    Um, I think he works out lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvylifter View Post
    Um, I think he works out lol.
    what's workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    I think that you should take care of your diet and also do some exercise first. Make sure that you take low fat and carbs in your diet and also drink more water. You can also drink green tea to boost your metabolism.But with that don't forget to do exercise. It is also most important.
    Why do you say low fat?
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    Hmmm sounds interesting would be a good idea to use anabeta and a erase pro with the t3 to get rid of the fat and to block cortisol for minimal muscle loss .
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    Quote Originally Posted by yowler99 View Post
    Not sure. Albuterol is a corticosteroid. So side effects will be there like steroids
    do not listen to this guy

    corticosteroids have side effects like anabolic steroids?!

    go back to the books bro, seriously lmao-cortico steroids and anabolic steroids are two TOTALLY different things.


    do use t3- but not without AAS, unless you want to loose muscle- yes t3 can actually help build muscle- but you HAVE to be on steroids, t3 is catabolic in nature- it will burn fat AND MUSCLE!

    The steroids(anabolic- not cortico lol) offset this
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    I'd run the albuterol man. I had great results running 18mg daily 5 days on 5 days off ( this is my work roster ). Supplement taurine tho as albuterol depletes your muscles and can cause some pretty severe muscle cramps, which are no fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backatit View Post

    do not listen to this guy

    corticosteroids have side effects like anabolic steroids?!

    go back to the books bro, seriously lmao-cortico steroids and anabolic steroids are two TOTALLY different things.

    do use t3- but not without AAS, unless you want to loose muscle- yes t3 can actually help build muscle- but you HAVE to be on steroids, t3 is catabolic in nature- it will burn fat AND MUSCLE!

    The steroids(anabolic- not cortico lol) offset this
    This is completely wrong. At 60 mcgs of t3 plus its very catabolic but at 12 to 25 mcgs you should notice an increase in mass if your diet is in check. Steroids do nothing of the sort. They don't stop the process they simply slow it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    This is completely wrong. At 60 mcgs of t3 plus its very catabolic but at 12 to 25 mcgs you should notice an increase in mass if your diet is in check. Steroids do nothing of the sort. They don't stop the process they simply slow it down.
    you should research the drug more before chiming in brother. Read this, then think LOGICALLY about it.

    Thyroid hormones, on the other hand, offer significant benefits when used cautiously and "properly". They should not be used haphazardly as a fat loss agent however, instead they are valuable in correcting thyroid dysfunction brought on by androgen use. When done properly, T3 is used as "replacement therapy" and serves only to normalize decreased T3 levels. Research has shown that high dose androgens pushes T3 levels down (14,15). This is significant because the real value of optimal thyroid levels is not for fat loss, but instead for optimum anabolic activity. T3 has diverse facilitative anabolic effects including, increasing GH secretion(16,17), up-regulating GH receptors (18), up-regulating IGF-1 receptors (19,20), and other less well defined anabolic effects (21,22). Don’t get the wrong idea however, for T3 to facilitate anabolism, it must stay in the high normal range. A little too high or a little too low significantly changes the biological effects of thyroid hormones. Bringing T3 levels too high will undoubtedly backfire and lead to muscle, strength losses, and rebound fat gain.

    You will need regular blood tests to determine the optimal dose of T3 (e.g. Cytomel) to bring you up to the optimum range. If you are unwilling, or do not have access to, regular blood work I would not recommend using T3. The old "take your morning temperature" recommendation is simply too inaccurate. Most people use way too much T3 and cause more problems than anything else. However, if you are willing to take care of yourself while optimizing muscle gains, have your free T3 checked before using any T3, yet during your full dose androgen regimen. Try to bring your free T3 levels up to ~7.0-7.4 pmol/L. Your doctor may use conventional units on your blood work which means it will read in "pg/dL". If that’s the case bring your levels up to about 450-480 pg/dL. Doing this will allow optimal caloric intake while minimizing fat gain, as well as optimize the anabolic actions of the androgens you are using.
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    I really hope no one reads part of this thread and thinks they are getting sound advice...there are very few people in this thread that have researched T3 at all..and not be a prick but ****ing Hell read about what **** before acting like you know the chemistry of it really what class of drug does this fall under....
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    t3 increases GH output, increases IGF output, increases NUTRIENT PARTITIONING, and speeds the metabolism up,

    so, think about it, you can eat MORE on a bulk WHILE using t3 and gain more muscle, while gaining LITTLE TO NO fat, (provided you are on proper anabolics)
    furthermore, steroids SUPPRESS t3 levels, so using t3 while on a bulk is actually smart- it will NOT cause muscle wasting(provided the t3 dose is right, the anabolic dose is right, and diet/training is in check)- it will actually ENHANCE it
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    albuterol is a beta-2 adrenic antagonist used medically to treat ASTHMA- so is clenbuterol- however albuterol is the one that is widely prescribed. It will antagonize the beta-2 receptors, but then people need to take into consideration the alpha receptors too.


    basically OP- do not use these drugs. You need more research, and so do several other people in this thread(hell I could always use some more too!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolce View Post
    Hmmm sounds interesting would be a good idea to use anabeta and a erase pro with the t3 to get rid of the fat and to block cortisol for minimal muscle loss .
    This will probably be a massive cut with the right diet, but without AAS I would presume a large amount of the weight would be muscle.
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    Bro I have a similar issue but for me its that my body won't let go of the water I want it to. I did some research and it seems that lexapro(medication I take) is the culprit. So what do I do? Well...I have no clue lol
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    do not stop taking your medication without consulting a medical professional
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    This will probably be a massive cut with the right diet, but without AAS I would presume a large amount of the weight would be muscle.
    Yeah no doubt but at a low does like 12mcg it might just spare some muscle , not a big fan of t3 tbh even whilst on anabolic (depending which) you still lose muscle only time I would take anabolics is if I were I us tren as it does distinguish t3 levels in the body
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolce View Post
    Yeah no doubt but at a low does like 12mcg it might just spare some muscle , not a big fan of t3 tbh even whilst on anabolic (depending which) you still lose muscle only time I would take anabolics is if I were I us tren as it does distinguish t3 levels in the body
    I must slightly disagree T3 is amazing when "used correctly". Stacking T3, stim of choice and higher dosed Tren + low dose Test will leave you as ripped as you can get!
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I must slightly disagree T3 is amazing when "used correctly". Stacking T3, stim of choice and higher dosed Tren + low dose Test will leave you as ripped as you can get!
    or Tren + Mast, Winnie, Epi or a few other options really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    I must slightly disagree T3 is amazing when "used correctly". Stacking T3, stim of choice and higher dosed Tren + low dose Test will leave you as ripped as you can get!
    Yeah don't disagree with you there , although a natty approach to use t3 is a bit more complex for eg me I don't think I'd like go hop on anabolics so a way I can see effective to use t3 natty would be something like anabeta erase and clen unless there's a better way to go about it .
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    On a low dose
  

  
 

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