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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I really hope no one reads part of this thread and thinks they are getting sound advice...there are very few people in this thread that have researched T3 at all..and not be a prick but ****ing Hell read about what **** before acting like you know the chemistry of it really what class of drug does this fall under....
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    Quote Originally Posted by backatit View Post

    you should research the drug more before chiming in brother. Read this, then think LOGICALLY about it.

    Thyroid hormones, on the other hand, offer significant benefits when used cautiously and "properly". They should not be used haphazardly as a fat loss agent however, instead they are valuable in correcting thyroid dysfunction brought on by androgen use. When done properly, T3 is used as "replacement therapy" and serves only to normalize decreased T3 levels. Research has shown that high dose androgens pushes T3 levels down (14,15). This is significant because the real value of optimal thyroid levels is not for fat loss, but instead for optimum anabolic activity. T3 has diverse facilitative anabolic effects including, increasing GH secretion(16,17), up-regulating GH receptors (18), up-regulating IGF-1 receptors (19,20), and other less well defined anabolic effects (21,22). Don't get the wrong idea however, for T3 to facilitate anabolism, it must stay in the high normal range. A little too high or a little too low significantly changes the biological effects of thyroid hormones. Bringing T3 levels too high will undoubtedly backfire and lead to muscle, strength losses, and rebound fat gain.

    You will need regular blood tests to determine the optimal dose of T3 (e.g. Cytomel) to bring you up to the optimum range. If you are unwilling, or do not have access to, regular blood work I would not recommend using T3. The old "take your morning temperature" recommendation is simply too inaccurate. Most people use way too much T3 and cause more problems than anything else. However, if you are willing to take care of yourself while optimizing muscle gains, have your free T3 checked before using any T3, yet during your full dose androgen regimen. Try to bring your free T3 levels up to ~7.0-7.4 pmol/L. Your doctor may use conventional units on your blood work which means it will read in "pg/dL". If that's the case bring your levels up to about 450-480 pg/dL. Doing this will allow optimal caloric intake while minimizing fat gain, as well as optimize the anabolic actions of the androgens you are using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    If you're refering to me please visit my t3 myth thread.
    No that link is for Albuterol not T3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Kudos at copying someone else's post/research about t3. Please refer to my t3 myth thread.
    Drop a link I am curious about your thread and well cant seem to find?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    No that link is for Albuterol not T3.
    Since my last post was not clear I figure ill explain.

    2d Structure of Albuterol looks like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    Drop a link I am curious about your thread and well cant seem to find?
    I will when I get home. It should be titled "fighting my genetics with t3" or something like that. I need to update it
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    I will when I get home. It should be titled "fighting my genetics with t3" or something like that. I need to update it
    I got it thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    I will when I get home. It should be titled "fighting my genetics with t3" or something like that. I need to update it
    Here is a nice quote to update the whole "T3 will cause permanent thyroid damage myth."

    "In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3) These results have been subsequently verified in several studies. (3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland. Greer,M. N Engl J Med 244:385, 1951)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    Here is a nice quote to update the whole "T3 will cause permanent thyroid damage myth."

    "In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3) These results have been subsequently verified in several studies. (3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland. Greer,M. N Engl J Med 244:385, 1951)"
    I have a bunch of quotes like that on my computer at home haha ill use that though.
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