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    using L carnitin as a supplement in the long run


    I was just curious has anybody used LC regurarly?
    I have read it enhances mental performance and has other benefits besides being a fat burner.

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    I've used some form of carnitine for years. Used to take several grams of ALCAR a day, now I take 2g of LCLT before every workout. ALCAR had more pronounced effects on mental acuity. I wouldn't consider carnitine a fat burner - more something to help your metabolism function optimally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flauntboy View Post
    I was just curious has anybody used LC regurarly?
    I have read it enhances mental performance and has other benefits besides being a fat burner.
    last summer i took the oportunity to buy 2 months stack of liquid l-carnitine and to be honest after 2 months of constant use even in high dosage I didn't feel a damn thing :O maybe it really works for some people but for me I'd rather invest in something that works
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockingfit View Post
    last summer i took the oportunity to buy 2 months stack of liquid l-carnitine and to be honest after 2 months of constant use even in high dosage I didn't feel a damn thing :O maybe it really works for some people but for me I'd rather invest in something that works
    That's because straight L-Carnitine has very low bioavailability. Adding acetyl or tartrate groups helps bypass that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    That's because straight L-Carnitine has very low bioavailability. Adding acetyl or tartrate groups helps bypass that.
    Thanks for info, will try again this year
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockingfit

    last summer i took the oportunity to buy 2 months stack of liquid l-carnitine and to be honest after 2 months of constant use even in high dosage I didn't feel a damn thing :O maybe it really works for some people but for me I'd rather invest in something that works
    Tobe honest i habe the same feeling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve

    That's because straight L-Carnitine has very low bioavailability. Adding acetyl or tartrate groups helps bypass that.
    Thanks for the tip, i did not know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    That's because straight L-Carnitine has very low bioavailability. Adding acetyl or tartrate groups helps bypass that.
    Could you clarify this?

    Are you combining L-Carnitine pure with acetyl or tartrate? or would it be better combining acetyl and tartrate?

    is is too much to combine 3gr of acetyl with 3gr tartrate? how would you stack both together?

    I'm planning on stacking the following. I already have a low calorie/low carb/low fat/high protein diet. I'm an athlete playing tennis/biking/lifting

    Carnitine (have not decided how)
    Na-r-ala -200 or 300gr.
    coq10 -
    omega 3 - 5gr
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogie View Post
    Could you clarify this?

    Are you combining L-Carnitine pure with acetyl or tartrate? or would it be better combining acetyl and tartrate?

    is is too much to combine 3gr of acetyl with 3gr tartrate? how would you stack both together?

    I'm planning on stacking the following. I already have a low calorie/low carb/low fat/high protein diet. I'm an athlete playing tennis/biking/lifting

    Carnitine (have not decided how)
    Na-r-ala -200 or 300gr.
    coq10 -
    omega 3 - 5gr
    You can actually take the acetyl-L-carnitine and L-carnitine-L-tartrate together. I would take 2g of each ... 3g each would be unnecessary/waste. 3g is fine if you're only taking 1 form of carnitine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    You can actually take the acetyl-L-carnitine and L-carnitine-L-tartrate together. I would take 2g of each ... 3g each would be unnecessary/waste. 3g is fine if you're only taking 1 form of carnitine.

    Thanks. Vitacost doesnt have l-tartrate. So i will just do l-carnitine 2gr with ALCAR 2gr. Btw, my goal is fat loss.

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogie View Post
    Thanks. Vitacost doesnt have l-tartrate. So i will just do l-carnitine 2gr with ALCAR 2gr. Btw, my goal is fat loss.

    thanks
    Why not get something like AI Sports LCLT? It's pretty inexpensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    You can actually take the acetyl-L-carnitine and L-carnitine-L-tartrate together. I would take 2g of each ... 3g each would be unnecessary/waste. 3g is fine if you're only taking 1 form of carnitine.
    Personally, I'd take them at different times too. ALCAR in the morning maybe, and LCLT pre- or post-workout.

    Quote Originally Posted by ogie View Post
    Thanks. Vitacost doesnt have l-tartrate. So i will just do l-carnitine 2gr with ALCAR 2gr. Btw, my goal is fat loss.

    thanks
    L-Carnitine is a waste of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Why not get something like AI Sports LCLT? It's pretty inexpensive.
    Bingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Personally, I'd take them at different times too. ALCAR in the morning maybe, and LCLT pre- or post-workout.
    Agreed. That's what I do.
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    sounds good. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Personally, I'd take them at different times too. ALCAR in the morning maybe, and LCLT pre- or post-workout.



    L-Carnitine is a waste of money.



    Bingo.
    one more question.

    vitacost has acetyl-l-carnitine-hcl(700mg) and acetyl-l-carnitine-arginate Dihydrochloride(500mg) together. Am i better off getting this or just acetyl-l-carnitine-hcl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogie View Post
    one more question.

    vitacost has acetyl-l-carnitine-hcl(700mg) and acetyl-l-carnitine-arginate Dihydrochloride(500mg) together. Am i better off getting this or just acetyl-l-carnitine-hcl?
    The ALCAR-hcl is a better 'bang-for-your-buck', imo.
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    holly ****... you should have warned me on lcarnitine taste? I added to my protein shake this morning and i had to force it down....

    how do you guys take the powder version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogie View Post
    holly ****... you should have warned me on lcarnitine taste? I added to my protein shake this morning and i had to force it down....

    how do you guys take the powder version?
    L-carnitine? I take it with my preworkout since the flavor usually mixes well with fruity flavoring. Alternatively, you could try it in just water. It tastes like un-sweet lemon water, if that makes any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogie View Post
    holly ****... you should have warned me on lcarnitine taste? I added to my protein shake this morning and i had to force it down....

    how do you guys take the powder version?
    Seriously? It's a bit acidic, but it's not bad. Don't add it to a protein shake next time - just dissolve it in a small cup of water and down it. If it's still too rough for ya, toss it in with some flavored bcaas or something.
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    l carnitin is not worth the money.
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    Although L-carnitine has been marketed as a weight loss supplement, there is no scientific evidence to show that it works. Some studies do show that oral carnitine reduces fat mass, increases muscle mass, and reduces fatigue, which may contribute to weight loss in some people.


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    More muscle mass and fat loss? Who cares about weight loss if you're getting those 2 benefits from carnitine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    More muscle mass and fat loss? Who cares about weight loss if you're getting those 2 benefits from carnitine?
    Agreed, I was merely speaking to those who were saying it's a waste of money.
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    According to Charles Poliquin, you have to take your L-Carnitine with a lot of carbs or a decent amount of fish oil to get it into the cells. He also says that you have to take it for a long period of time for it to really affect your performance, as the carnitine levels of your cells increase slowly. I used a bottle of it and didn't really notice anything, so I put my money to something that gives more bang for the buck .
  

  
 

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