Ultimate cutting solution?
- 01-06-2011, 08:57 PM
- 01-06-2011, 08:59 PM
A little more specificity: I'm looking to cut down from 20% bf to 10% the fastest and best way possible. This is what I can mainly think of, and the only reason I'm not trying OEP over Recreate is because Recreate has muscle preserving abilities which I am pretty fond of.
01-07-2011, 12:36 PM
If your doing P90x I wouldn't go completely keto...you'll struggle. I would have some carbs before and after a work out but keep daily intake say sub 100g. You can try lower once you assessed how you perform on this amount.
01-07-2011, 01:01 PM
Half-keto diets are not optimal for cutting weight and maintaining muscle. the point of keto is to completely carb deplete and as recent studies suggest your body will switch to using store fats and ketones as its energy source. adding in carbs will only further stress your bodys natural function and potentially release the nasty catabolic hormone cortisol. Starting with a stimulant free fat burner can also reduce unnecessary stress on the body
01-07-2011, 01:02 PM
01-07-2011, 01:17 PM
The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook
A Scientific Approach to Crash Dieting
By Lyle McDonald
Weight versus fat: they are not the same thing
Every tissue in your body (including muscle, bodyfat, your heart, liver, spleen, kidneys, bones,etc.) weighs a given amount. We could (conceivably anyhow) take them out of your body, plop them on a scale and find out how much they weigh. Your total bodyweight is comprised of the weight ofevery one of those tissues. But only some percentage of your total bodyweight is bodyfat. Researchers and techie types frequently divide the body into two (or more) components including fat mass (the sum total of the bodyfat you have on your body) and lean body mass (everything else). Without getting into unnecessarily technical details about different kinds of bodyfat,
let’s just go from there.
Let’s say that we could magically determine the weight of only your fat cells. Of course, we know your total weight by throwing you on a scale. By dividing the total amount of fat into the total bodyweight, you can determine a bodyfat percentage which represents the percentage of your total
weight is fat.
Lean athletes might only have 5-10% bodyfat, meaning that only 5-10% of their total weight is fat. So a 200 pound athlete with 10% bodyfat is carrying 20 lbs (200 * 0.10 = 20) of bodyfat. The remaining 180 pounds (200 total pounds - 20 pounds of fat = 180 pounds) of weight is muscle, organs,
bones, water, etc. Researchers call the remaining 180 pounds lean body mass or LBM. I’ll be using LBM a lot so make sure and remember what it means: LBM is lean body mass, the amount of your
body that is not fat.
In cases of extreme obesity, a bodyfat percentage of 40-50% or higher is not unheard of. Meaning that nearly 1/2 of that person’s total weight is fat. A 400 pound person with 50% bodyfat is carrying 200 lbs of bodyfat. The other 200 pounds is muscle, organs, bones, etc. Again, 200 poundsof LBM.
Most people fall somewhere between these two extremes. An average male may carry from18-23% bodyfat and an average female somewhere between 25-30% bodyfat. So a male at 180 lbs and 20% bodyfat is carrying 36 pounds of fat and the rest of his weight (144 lbs) is LBM. A 150 pound female at 30% bodyfat has 50 pounds of bodyfat and 100 pounds of LBM.
I bring this up as many (if not most) diet books focus only on weight loss, without making the above distinction. I should note that more current books have finally started to distinguish between fat
loss and weight loss.
01-08-2011, 12:39 PM
I would be very interested to see your results. Some of my friends have had great results with p90x but haven't had their diet or supplements dialled in.
01-11-2011, 07:51 PM
I'm getting p90x sometime this week, so I'll keep you guys updated on it. Also, My CKD diet involves post workout carbs (around 35g from a delicious protein bar ) and it's been working great so far (from 185 to 176 in 2 and a half weeks)
On a side note, I have right bundle branch block bradycardia, which means only the left side of my heart is pumping blood, so I have to check with my cardiologist before taking any fat burner medications like recreate, but since it's low stim, I don't believe it'll be a problem
01-11-2011, 08:09 PM
01-12-2011, 01:05 AM
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01-12-2011, 02:24 AM
01-12-2011, 02:53 AM
Try the HCG diet... eerrrckkkkkkk. A physician in my hometown is actually prescribing HCG to females in the area. I remember talking about this as a fad diet in A&P last year. Wasn't the original study done on starving, pregnant Indian ladies? Oh and my sister's friend got it prescribed and covered, then was told to reduce her calories to slightly over 1000.... hmm...I think the obvious connection goes without saying....
Totally out of place, just a random rant. The prowler's a mofo btw.
01-12-2011, 11:18 AM
01-12-2011, 11:32 AM
I did the x last summer, great results as long as you stay consistent. I lost 33 pounds and that was not really having my diet dialed in. My avi pic is 2 weeks post p90x!!!
01-12-2011, 02:53 PM
Also aren't most forms of 'half-keto' just vairiants of the carb cycling approach? Varying the amount of carbs ingested either during the day or over the course of a week.
01-12-2011, 04:02 PM
01-12-2011, 04:26 PM
01-12-2011, 04:27 PM
01-12-2011, 04:33 PM
Why not just do sort of a carb cycle/keto approach to this and just focus on body weights. Something like on days you work out you eat your carbs only post workout and the rest of your day is keto and off days is strictly keto and allow a big refeed that last about 2 days every week or whenever you feel it is needed. Just do full body lifts in the gym twice or 3 times a week. Something like starting strength or madcows 5x5 would be good. I am actually toying with this idea for myself but havent committed to it yet or did the work to figure it all out. Anyway good luck
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
01-12-2011, 04:50 PM
I'm actually still on a 5x5 routine with iso's that I've incorporated for a few months already, but I'm definitely willing to give p90x a try with the CKD. I'm expecting nothing but rapid fat loss with this
01-12-2011, 09:18 PM
01-12-2011, 10:41 PM
01-12-2011, 10:48 PM
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
01-13-2011, 12:03 AM
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01-16-2011, 07:02 PM
01-18-2011, 06:18 PM
Don't really care if anyone is interested or not, but Jesus this workout beat the living **** out of me! If youre starting with the lean workout routine for p90x, get ready for a first day of core synergistics. Let just say that you only have two 60 second breaks in a full hour, and I couldn't stop screaming towards the end.. Lol. I blame it on my lack of carbs due to Keto, but im feeling soo much better after the cool down stretches
This second day wasn't as tough with cardio x. It was simple plyometrics, boxing, crossfit training, and HIIT, but it was still pretty tough to deal with. Took an intra-shake with the workout for energy, and just finished eating a carb protein bar with my protein shake and Glutamine, getting ready to hit the showers. Planning on taking my bf% test sometime in the next two weeks to see how that's going :P
01-21-2011, 01:14 AM
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