Why do I feel nothing from ECA?

[diablosho]

Hi guys,
I started the ECA stack a week ago, and I keep hearing all this talk about massive amounts of energy, concentration, etc. I have yet to feel ANYTHING that is even remotely equivalent to the reports I have been reading. I do get a mild appetite suppression, but I can still seriously put a dent into a very large quantity of food right after a dose. Am I doing something wrong? I've never done anything with Ephedrine in it, so maybe I'm thinking it's something it isn't, but I would think I would feel something. I actually fell asleep about 2 hours after taking my "lunch" dose. I am taking the following 3 times a day (@ 0600, @1200, @1800):
25mg Ephedrine S04 (Bronkaid)
200mg Caffeine (Pharmaceutical)
81mg Baby Aspirin (Bayer)

I am 145 lbs, 14.8% BF, proper hydration. Just to give you some info as far as dosing/sensitivity is concerned.

Also, I started taking OxyElite Pro yesterday for it's Alpha-Yohimbine content mainly (which provides the alpha adrenergic receptor inhibitors to work with ephedrine synergistically, if I researched correctly), and cut out the Caffeine from my original stack since OEP has 100mg caffeine. Again, I feel nothing. Same appetite suppresion. Any suggestions are welcome! I'm looking to lose about 4.5%-5% BF in 6 months, so I have time, no rush. And maybe that's what I need to take, my TIME, but I would prefer to find out earlier than later if my dosages are screwed up! Thanks for any help guys!
--Brian
P.S.
I am ABSOLUTELY fine with any site references to research as well, as I actually prefer to FIND the answer rather than to ask the question. Anywho, thanks again!

 

[waynaferd]

First time I did it I was all jittery and couldn't sit still......second time around I didn't feel much, either. I also used yohimbe instead of aspirin.

 

[diablosho]

So did you make any changes to your dosing, abandon it all together and try something different, or...? Just curious! Thanks for the post!
--Brian

 

[texzen123]

I bought the OxyElite Pro when looking for leftover SlimXtreme... Didn't phase my hunger in the least.. Very poor suppliment.

 

[KgTomCat]

this isn't interesting..it could be a number of factors. when do you take them? do you take them all together or spaced apart? with or without food? fasted? most importantly!...what do you take it with???

 

[diablosho]

Oh, well; I'm sorry you're not interested TomKat. And to think, from all your other posts that I've seen you in, especially the "Advanced Weight Loss" Thread, I had you pegged for a decent guy. Hmmm. Hopefully, I'm just being over-sensitive and you're not jabbing at me, but either way, I guess I'll go back to trolling. Peace out yall.
--Brian
P.S.
Thanks Texzen123. It helps a lot to know I wasn't the ONLY one not responding very well to OEP, especially after reading all those "testimonials" (if that's what they really were, I know NOTHING of USPLabs, so I would hate to knock them just because it didn't work for me, but...) Anywho, thanks for your post Texzen. I guess we'll close out this thread though, since it doesn't seem to "interest" anybody else. Maybe I'd have better luck if I just ask someone to make a diet for me. Take it easy guys, and thanks again.

 

[KgTomCat]

Oh, well I'm sorry you're not interested TomKat. And to think, from all your other posts that I've seen you in, especially the "Advanced Weight Loss" Thread, I had you pegged for a decent guy. Hmmm. Well, guess I'll go back to trolling. Peace out yall.
--Brian

WTF man? I asked you several questions pertaining to your problem, so Im offering my help..I meant it isnt interesting because it could be a number of variables. Now stop being a b!tch and answer what I asked and dont cry over spilled milk :trout:

 

[bigrobbierob]

FWIW the ECA stack doesn't seem to effect me as far as fat loss either. If it does anything to my appetite I'd be surprised since I can't tell at all.

 

[HereToStudy]

I bought the OxyElite Pro when looking for leftover SlimXtreme... Didn't phase my hunger in the least.. Very poor suppliment.

I have heard alot of reports of people not being to happy with OEP

 

[KgTomCat]

cat got your tongue diablosho???

 

[packers1200]

do you have ADD? for some people with ADD stimulants just calm you.

 

[bigrobbierob]

do you have ADD? for some people with ADD stimulants just calm you.

OT....but I found out the reason for that a few weeks ago.

Scans show the prefrontal cortex of people with "classic" ADD actually decreases in activity while concentrating. That is akin to hitting the gas pedal but going slower. Stimulates allow the prefrontal cortex to stay in a normal activity range.

Now that I'm done with my ADD moment, I return you to the regularly scheduled thread.

 

[kingk0ng]

I would not recommend you take them. Caffeine and ephedrine both can elevate blood pressure and aspirin has been known to thin blood.

 

[diablosho]

Alright guys, sorry I'm late. My base is doing a Pre-ORI exercise, so I'm on 12's right now (0600 to 1800). Anywho, thanks for all the replies guys! Oh, and Tom Cat, I was having a pretty bad day yesterday, and as such, I read too much into your post (and I also didn't realize that your "Shut up Bitch" whatchamacallit was in your sig. I thought you were actually telling me to shut up, and as such, I think you could probably understand my reply!). Anywho, I really do apologize; no attack intended. Anywho, wow! This thread picked up quick! Now to answer some questions!
I take them all together at 0400, 1000, and 1600, at least 1 hour before food. And, I only drink water now, starting about 3 weeks ago when I started this stack. Oh, and I don't think I have ADD, or at least I've never been diagnosed with it. My concentration isn't all there, but who's is!?! Thanks for all the help guys! I gotta run for a couple hours, but I'll be back on when I get back. Thanks again!
--Brian

 

[KgTomCat]

Alright guys, sorry I'm late. My base is doing a Pre-ORI exercise, so I'm on 12's right now (0600 to 1800). Anywho, thanks for all the replies guys! Oh, and Tom Cat, I was having a pretty bad day yesterday, and as such, I read too much into your post (and I also didn't realize that your "Shut up Bitch" whatchamacallit was in your sig. I thought you were actually telling me to shut up, and as such, I think you could probably understand my reply!). Anywho, I really do apologize; no attack intended. Anywho, wow! This thread picked up quick! Now to answer some questions!
I take them all together at 0400, 1000, and 1600, at least 1 hour before food. And, I only drink water now, starting about 3 weeks ago when I started this stack. Oh, and I don't think I have ADD, or at least I've never been diagnosed with it. My concentration isn't all there, but who's is!?! Thanks for all the help guys! I gotta run for a couple hours, but I'll be back on when I get back. Thanks again!
--Brian

then the only logical explanation I can think of is your fukked lol

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

WTF man? I asked you several questions pertaining to your problem, so Im offering my help..I meant it isnt interesting because it could be a number of variables. Now stop being a b!tch and answer what I asked and dont cry over spilled milk :trout:

lmfao :439:

 

[diablosho]

Ya know, that's kinda what I was thinking!!! Actually, I did just come into a supply of RPNs Alphaburn. Thinking about switching out OEC with that, and seeing how that goes. I know the Alpha2 AR-antagonistic behavior quality of it would go very well with ephedrine's non-specific Alpha and Beta AR-agonistic behavior, thus blocking out ephedrine's effects on the Alpha receptors. Not crazy about the MAOI though. Anywho, I need to research the dosage, the MAOIs potency (in realtionship to other MAOIs), variables that effect a persons sensitivity to a-yohimbine, etc. If anybody has any thoughts on this, especially heart rate and blood pressure stabilization on a-yohimbine, please feel free to chime in! Thanks!
--Brian

 

[KgTomCat]

I dont know much on Y, only that in high doses its wicked...anxiety attacks, high BP, nausea, sexual problems, etc. It seems to me your worried about which receptors here and there, when the only thin that matters is heart rate, and who's to say for sure what supp hits which receptors. Just because it something says it does, were still not 100% sure on most of the OTC supps today

 

[soontobbeast]

I would not recommend you take them. Caffeine and ephedrine both can elevate blood pressure and aspirin has been known to thin blood.

weight training also elevates blood pressure.

edit : and yeah, thats the point of the aspirin - to thin the blood so that the high blood pressure won't be a problem. it also modulates cAMP and causes the stack to last longer.

 

[KgTomCat]

weight training also elevates blood pressure.

edit : and yeah, thats the point of the aspirin - to thin the blood so that the high blood pressure won't be a problem. it also modulates cAMP and causes the stack to last longer.

:trout:...wow, it all makes sense :think:

 

[Tone]

yohimbine rocks dude... I took ECA and ECY -- ECY is defnitely crazy, sweaty, jittery, felt like i was tweakin all day lol

 

[KgTomCat]

ECY is deff better IMO, just be careful with the Y!

 

[kingk0ng]

weight training also elevates blood pressure.

Most people that are obese have hypertension, and if you have hypertension and take EC then you're just going to make your case worse.

 

[soontobbeast]

i never felt a whole lot of difference taking leviathan reloaded with ECA.


i may start doing that though - even if i don't feel it, increased thermogenesis is likely

 

[diablosho]

Most people that are obese have hypertension, and if you have hypertension and take EC then you're just going to make your case worse.

Pretty sure I'm not obese @ <15% BF, but I do admit, I've got some fat to lose. Thanks though for the hypertension information. Definitely worth thinking about, and at the very least, mentioning.

The ECY stack was CRAZY for the first dose. I take 1 RPN alphaburn in morning, and 1 6 hours later. Anywho, After that first dose, I stopped feeling anything. Any ideas?
--Brian
P.S.
I'm fine not experiencing any of the stimulant effects, I prefer not to actually. The only thing I'm concerned about is the fat loss.

 

[VolcomX311]

I would not recommend you take them. Caffeine and ephedrine both can elevate blood pressure and aspirin has been known to thin blood.

That's one of the main reasons the two are paired (aspirin & ephed).

 

[kingk0ng]

That's one of the main reasons the two are paired (aspirin & ephed).

OP, I wasn't calling you obese. I was just saying that people can have hypertension and not know it before they take ECA.

Volcom, what if the person has severe hypertension and on top of lifting weights (which elevate it) they use the Valsalva maneuver, which also pretty significantly elevates it? The ECA would do more harm than good then.

The Doctor at the hospital I work also told me that caffeine can shrink where testosterone is made from. I personally wouldn't advise ECA.

 

[bigrobbierob]

The Doctor at the hospital I work also told me that caffeine can shrink where testosterone is made from. I personally wouldn't advise ECA.

Not true at all. Caffeine does NOT shrink the testes.

That is one of those "urban legends"...in fact normally the story actually names the soda...Mountain Dew.

I am shocked a medical professional would repeat a legend as fact. That just shows a fancy diploma doesn't always mean they know what they are talking about in all instances.

The fact of the matter is recent studies show caffeine can possibly INCREASE testosterone.

http://www.warriorfx.com/2008/03/caffeine-enhances-testosterone-during-exercise/

 

[kingk0ng]

Not true at all. Caffeine does NOT shrink the testes.

That is one of those "urban legends"...in fact normally the story actually names the soda...Mountain Dew.

I am shocked a medical professional would repeat a legend as fact. That just shows a fancy diploma doesn't always mean they know what they are talking about in all instances.

The fact of the matter is recent studies show caffeine can possibly INCREASE testosterone.

http://www.warriorfx.com/2008/03/caffeine-enhances-testosterone-during-exercise/

Physicians are right about a lot of stuff, but what they study and go to school for is the identification and treatment of disease. They are not there to study kinesiology, physiology and basic exercise like a physical therapist or strength and conditioning specialist would do; therefore, they are often known to give horrible advice with weightlifting.

Anyway thanks for the link. And I was actually drinking a Mountain Dew when the Physician told me about that.

 

[Tone]

FYI -- I just tooke ECY stack about 40 minutes ago and im ****in JACKED! lol

 

[diablosho]

OP, I wasn't calling you obese. I was just saying that people can have hypertension and not know it before they take ECA.

I know you weren't calling me obese; I was just brainstorming out loud. I actually really appreciate your post, as it pointed out a potentially life threating condition, which would absolutely contraindicate taking ECA (if not for me, than perhaps for somebody else reading along). Thanks again!
--Brian
P.S.
I'm happy that it works for you Tone. Just too bad it's not doing much for me. I think I'm going to stop taking any stimulants for a couple weeks and see if I can re-sensitize myself. We'll see how that goes.

 

[kingk0ng]

I know you weren't calling me obese; I was just brainstorming out loud. I actually really appreciate your post, as it pointed out a potentially life threating condition, which would absolutely contraindicate taking ECA (if not for me, than perhaps for somebody else reading along). Thanks again!
--Brian
P.S.
I'm happy that it works for you Tone. Just too bad it's not doing much for me. I think I'm going to stop taking any stimulants for a couple weeks and see if I can re-sensitize myself. We'll see how that goes.

Do you not have a lot of energy? Is that why you took ECA?

You might have adrenal fatigue.

 

[diablosho]

Do you not have a lot of energy? Is that why you took ECA?

You might have adrenal fatigue.

Actually, my energy isn't bad without the supps, but doesn't change with them either. I'm just taking the stack to lose some fat in the "problem areas". The ECY stack seems to be helping, even though I don't feel any energy boost. We'll see how this one goes.
--Brian
P.S.
I hear that nicotine can inhibit caffeine, so I stopped chewing my nicorette gum to see if the effects change at all.

 

[Tone]

adrenal fatigue, take a few weeks off, try benadryl or adrenal support

 

[darkvard]

there might be something wrong with you maybe you over used stims a few weeks before etc

 

[Violator4200]

Just take 2 benedryl at night for a week or so and it will renew your beta receptors that are affected by too much caffine and stimulants. Works like a charm for me every time!! even if you just take a week off the eca and just take benadryl (sp?) for a week it will DEFINETLY help! You should notice even after a couple days. Im on ECA right now and ive only been taking it for a week and i barely notice it anymore but i like to take the benadryl every couple nights just to assure that the eca is working. Also sometimes i can just hold my hand over my heart and feel it beater faster than normal just sitting there and tell its working...

 

[VolcomX311]

If you're not feeling ANYTHING from ECA, then it's either A). You're ephed and caff is somehow bunk (too old??), or B). You're Neo from The Matrix. I think it'd be cooler if it were B).

 

[rtrocc]

I'm starting to think the ECA stack is good for those that are obese and need to shed the initial pounds (first 20-30lb) and not for those looking to lose the last 5-10lbs needed to show their abs and striations. Can anyone contribute to that theory? I just ordered some for my g/f and shes just trying to lose the last bit of BF off her stomach..

 

[diablosho]

Well, I never considered being from the Matrix, but because I've gone through multiple batches of the ephedrine, I guess that is the only solution. I like it! I'm going to try the benadryl at night theory; it sounds like a winner. I've seen that before, but I could never find the dosing protocol for the benadryl. Thanks for the help guys.
--Brian

 

[ax1]

I bought the OxyElite Pro when looking for leftover SlimXtreme... Didn't phase my hunger in the least.. Very poor suppliment.

thanks, finally someone on anabolic minds who agrees with me, lol

 

[ax1]

It helps a lot to know I wasn't the ONLY one not responding very well to OEP, especially after reading all those "testimonials" (if that's what they really were, I know NOTHING of USPLabs, so I would hate to knock them just because it didn't work for me, but...) Anywho, thanks for your post Texzen. I guess we'll close out this thread though, since it doesn't seem to "interest" anybody else. Maybe I'd have better luck if I just ask someone to make a diet for me. Take it easy guys, and thanks again.

ah, i finally have a family now, OEP is the most disappointing supplement ive ever used, it feels just like any other energy product out there, but is nothing special in any way, and worst of all it made me EXTREMELY hungy!!!!!

i get ganged up on everytime i speak out, and its almost intimidating but when someone asks i tell my experience. i keep hearing "it works for most people" to knock my experience off, but anyways i hope it does work for more people im just glad im not alone on this board alone.

 

[ax1]

I have heard alot of reports of people not being to happy with OEP

where are they? i finally found 2 of them, nobody speaks out, just the people that love it do, i know im not the only one here!!!!!

i always get singled out my a bunch of OEP lovers (which if it works for them im happy) but im the only one usually speaking out against OEP.

 

[diablosho]

where are they? i finally found 2 of them, nobody speaks out, just the people that love it do, i know im not the only one here!!!!!

i always get singled out my a bunch of OEP lovers (which if it works for them im happy) but im the only one usually speaking out against OEP.

It's very frustrating isn't it!!! Well, you can always refer to me, because like you, it made me EXTREMELY hungry! And, it makes me feel very warm and fuzzy inside to know I'm not the only one! Thanks a lot guys!
--Brian

 

[ax1]

It's very frustrating isn't it!!! Well, you can always refer to me, because like you, it made me EXTREMELY hungry! And, it makes me feel very warm and fuzzy inside to know I'm not the only one! Thanks a lot guys!
--Brian

yeah, tell me about the hunger thing,

what they told me was that my metabolism is reving, and that i should just eat a little more. my gosh im hungry dont you think im already doing that, lol

ive had plenty of supplements that rev my metabolism MUCH better, and none of them made me feel like i was starving, none of them made me feel even a little hungry especially during my workouts.

 

[diablosho]

yeah, tell me about the hunger thing,

what they told me was that my metabolism is reving, and that i should just eat a little more. my gosh im hungry dont you think im already doing that, lol

ive had plenty of supplements that rev my metabolism MUCH better, and none of them made me feel like i was starving, none of them made me feel even a little hungry especially during my workouts.

Ya, that's the most important part of a "fat burner" is it's hunger deterrent quality, which OEP doesn't have. They even say that is why the ECA stack works (mostly) in the first place. Without that, you've got nothing but stimulants.

 

[ax1]

Ya, that's the most important part of a "fat burner" is it's hunger deterrent quality, which OEP doesn't have. They even say that is why the ECA stack works (mostly) in the first place. Without that, you've got nothing but stimulants.

so funny, i saw a guy stacking OEP with ECA with "good" success.

he says that he can vouch for OEP appetite controlling effects. wtf how dare him say it was the OEP, and not mention the ECA, lol. ECA is the best fat burner/suppressor ive ever used!!! and he wants to give OEP 100% of the credit.

 

[diablosho]

I have to wonder how many people out there are actually somehow in "cohorts" with that company. Wish there was more disclosure on that information so I could make a better decision when purchasing supplements.

 

[skratch]

take 50mg ephedrine HCI,not sul
200mg caf
and take an asprin ever 3 day on your off day with ec,I take that and every 3rd day I go off and repeat.

if thats not enough,add a little more E

ohh and your a perfect candidate on testing hci vs sulfate,because sulfate dosnt do jack for me either.So if you can switch to hci and report back

edit,try 37.5mg hci first because thats enough for me to have dry mounth all day and have my armpits soaked in sweat!!!

 

[ax1]

take 50mg ephedrine HCI,not sul
200mg caf
and take an asprin ever 3 day on your off day with ec,I take that and every 3rd day I go off and repeat.

if thats not enough,add a little more E

ohh and your a perfect candidate on testing hci vs sulfate,because sulfate dosnt do jack for me either.So if you can switch to hci and report back

edit,try 37.5mg hci first because thats enough for me to have dry mounth all day and have my armpits soaked in sweat!!!

thats straight nuts, sorry........


im working on a low dose experiement to judge fat loss right now, and logging it check out my log. im trying to prove that the stim effect is unnecessary for the fat loss effect of ephedrine.


http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/148942-kim-jong-il.html#post2353905

 

[skratch]

thats straight nuts, sorry........


im working on a low dose experiement to judge fat loss right now, and logging it check out my log. im trying to prove that the stim effect is unnecessary for the fat loss effect of ephedrine.


http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/148942-kim-jong-il.html#post2353905

um the stim effect is was makes it work.Iv been around for a while bro,we used to take 4-6 xenadrine rfa1 back in the day and that was exactly how we felt back then.

dry mouth,high energy and no hunger.

go take a phentermine and see what it feels like,exactly the same way!!!!

I just took 37mg hci and my armpits are soaked sitting here typing this.If your not sweating its not enough in you or you have adapted to it.

you do know that most of the weight lose from eca came from app supression right? at 50mgs one dose will last 8 hours of not wanting to look at food,while you sit there a sweat

tell that to the doctors that made fen phen and phenterime,the still effect is what speeds up your metabolism.