No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is

Originally Posted by IRONPOPE

No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is

I agree mate, nothing else touches it. Apart from maybe clenbuterol or DCP but I haven't got that hardcore yet!

Agreed.

ECA= The ****.

Does the ECY stack really compare to the ECA stack? What's the benefits of subbing Aspirin for Yohimbine ?

Nothing may match eca eca for a therm stimulating fat burning but there are some very good non stim fatburners out there that work very well. Lean Extreme, Napalm, DCP etc. Those all work very good and burn fat through different path ways.

I agree time and time again we keep trying new things but the old school eca is still one of the best and cheapest stacks to use.

Only a few stacks were better but its hard to come by these days and that was the nyc stack.

take 2 of those and you dont want to look at food for a few days lol

the only problem now with the eca is the stuff out there isnt as potent,I remember taking old school rfa1 and that was some very strong stuff.

RFA-1 was the sh*t! It really ticks me off how things get banned. In today's world where obesity is the #1 killer, why ban something that will help people loose weight? It makes no sense!

Can anybody point me towards a thread or something explaining the effects ephedrine has on fat burning? I've tried searching it and haven't had much luck finding anything explaining the science behind it.

Originally Posted by skratch

I agree time and time again we keep trying new things but the old school eca is still one of the best and cheapest stacks to use.

Only a few stacks were better but its hard to come by these days and that was the nyc stack.

take 2 of those and you dont want to look at food for a few days lol

the only problem now with the eca is the stuff out there isnt as potent,I remember taking old school rfa1 and that was some very strong stuff.

OH Damn don't get me started on the nyc stack run that with t3 nothing better single digits EASY

Originally Posted by bmw8591

Can anybody point me towards a thread or something explaining the effects ephedrine has on fat burning? I've tried searching it and haven't had much luck finding anything explaining the science behind it.

eca is one of the combos that actually has science behind it and works.Ill look for some write ups but the stuff has been patented by the originals.Its the only stack that actually has a patent for the 3 for burning fat.

that is why all the copys used mahung,willow bark ect guarana because they would get sued if the put straight ECA.

the combo taken together would make your body release fat while also having a big stimulant effect the aspirin had something to do with making it last longer.

Originally Posted by mixedup

OH Damn don't get me started on the nyc stack run that with t3 nothing better single digits EASY

what is the nyc stack?

For us morons out there, what's the best "ratio"?

Equal amounts E, C, and A?

Originally Posted by TURUGBY

what is the nyc stack?

by far the best stack,it was the eca on steriods.nyc is nor-ephedrine hci,yohimbe hci and asprin

To this day I havnt tried anything that comes close to it.It would kill your hunger all day and it would work every day,it was weired you wouldnt get used to it and it hit hard every time youd take it.

It was one of the first fat burners to get pulled off the market because nor epdedrine is a few steps from becoming meth.

this fat burner was made from syntrax and they had triax out wich was a thyroid drug.

the fda pulled them both.

adipokinetix was my fav.I would pay 150 right now for a bottle of that stuff.

Originally Posted by waynaferd

For us morons out there, what's the best "ratio"?

Equal amounts E, C, and A?

depends on the herb,if your using mahung its all in the process.The crap out there now is weak.

I would do 50mg ephedrine hci with 200 mg caf in the am.I take a one dose in the am and it hits hard for almost the whole day.

I take an asprin every 4 days because it upsets my stomach

Originally Posted by waynaferd

For us morons out there, what's the best "ratio"?

Equal amounts E, C, and A?

3 doses... spaced 5 hrs apart

if you never done ECA before start low dose E

example:
5am: 12.5mg E, 100mg C
10am: same
3pm: same

after you gauged your tolerance bump the E to 25mg each dose


IF YOU WANT TO ADD YOHIMBINE HCL BE SURE THE RATIO IS CORRECT FOR YOUR BODYWEIGHT

.1mg Y-HCL per pound of BW

if you have never used YHCL before... low dose it until your capable of its effects.... it will hurt you

okay thats all I have... there have been ECA posts all weekend... figured people could search for this info ..

i stated my EC stack on Sunday... starting weight at 210 @ 5am.... currently doing the Paleo Diet... monday weight at 208 @ 5am..... crossfit workout .... tuesday weight at 206 @ 5am... possibly water weight lose due to the caffeine...

i'll rotate off the EC with either Recreate or some CL Red Acid... we'll see

heres a write up on nyca

NYC = norephedrine/caffeine/yohimbine

It was sold by syntrax as Adipokinetix

Heres the info I found on the stack and on "N" in general...

"YNCA (Yohimbine HCl 5mg, Norephedrine HCl, 25mg, Caffeine 100mg, Acetylsalicylic Acid 100mg)

Instead of ephedrine, YNCA uses norephedrine, specifically IR.2S
norephedrine. Ephedrine is indeed very thermogenic, but it
doesn't hold water compared to norephedrine. Studies show that
amphetamines are number one at raising metabolic rate and
norephedrine a close second. To make things interesting study
after study shows that the 1R,2S form is twice as potent as the 1S,2R form. Not only is norephedrine more thermogenic but it is also a better anorecitc, able to suppress appetite more thoroughly. Norephedrine triumphs over ephedrine on one more front because it passes the blood-brain barrier much less the ephedrine therefore stimulating certain parts of the brain much less. It has just enough to cause some pep but not so much as to cause the person to feel badly.

To potentiate the norephedrine caffeine and aspirin are added and voila we have the NCA stack. The Y stands for yohimbine, an alpha sub 2 adrenergic receptor blocker. To explain why this is added I must explain a little biochemistry. All of the ephedrine alkaloids do their work by stimulating nerve ending to produce
catecholamines like adrenaline, an adrenergic hormone. In turn,
adrenaline stimulates various adrenergic receptors of which there are the beta and alpha types. The receptors we want stimulated to increase the rate of fat loss are the beta sub 2 and and the beta sub 3. Fortunately, 1R,2S norephedrine does an excellent job of doing this. The receptor that we don't want stimulated is the alpha sub 2. It is this receptor that prevents fat mobilization
out of the cell. Thus, whenever this receptor gets stimulated,
no fat can get out of the cell and no subsequent burning of that fat can occur. Women have an especially large amount of alpha sub 2 receptors in their lower body and thus tend to have a very difficult time keeping fat off of this area.
As an alpha sub 2 adrenergic receptor antagonist, yohimbine is ideal at blocking the above described effect, allowing fat to be mobilized and burned. A final benefit of the yohimbine is the ability to increase the libido in both men and women!"


They should of stoped here,they had the best fat burner ever.Then they made lipokinetix and added sodium usiate (DNP) and a T2 thyroid hormone to nyc.

dropping 40lbs on that **** was easy,keeping your liver wasnt.

I remember when they launched it and they had a graph that showed how much eca,nyc ect raised your metabolism and eca was like 8-10% with there breathing machines hooked up to people and adipo wsa like 15-20% and lipo was over 40% lol

Originally Posted by wrkn4bigrmusles

3 doses... spaced 5 hrs apart

if you never done ECA before start low dose E

example:
5am: 12.5mg E, 100mg C
10am: same
3pm: same

after you gauged your tolerance bump the E to 25mg each dose


IF YOU WANT TO ADD YOHIMBINE HCL BE SURE THE RATIO IS CORRECT FOR YOUR BODYWEIGHT

.1mg Y-HCL per pound of BW

if you have never used YHCL before... low dose it until your capable of its effects.... it will hurt you

okay thats all I have... there have been ECA posts all weekend... figured people could search for this info ..

great post man!
Im going to start a ECY stack soon...but the E is some ethyl of it, called Bunka or something like that. but its dirt cheap at CVS

Originally Posted by SilverRock

RFA-1 was the sh*t! It really ticks me off how things get banned. In today's world where obesity is the #1 killer, why ban something that will help people loose weight? It makes no sense!

Because it KILLS people too? Ephedrine has the potential for inducing heart disease just like obesity does, along with a whole host of other side effects. Granted, it's the idiots who take supplements recklessly who kill themselves through them - the ones who overdose and/or who do not take the necessary precautions like drinking enough water and whatnot - the ones who give all of these supplements a bad rep... The government just prefers to be totalitarian in banning them and not risk having people kill themselves with them, even though there are people who are sensible when they use them.

Plus there are also people who have been killed by using ephedrine at normal doses, just like obese people (anyone, really) can die by taking supplements inappropriately.

ECA is pretty effective, but you have to know what you're doing and assume the risks you are taking by ingesting it.

Originally Posted by skratch

by far the best stack,it was the eca on steriods.nyc is nor-ephedrine hci,yohimbe hci and asprin

To this day I havnt tried anything that comes close to it.It would kill your hunger all day and it would work every day,it was weired you wouldnt get used to it and it hit hard every time youd take it.

It was one of the first fat burners to get pulled off the market because nor epdedrine is a few steps from becoming meth.

this fat burner was made from syntrax and they had triax out wich was a thyroid drug.

the fda pulled them both.

adipokinetix was my fav.I would pay 150 right now for a bottle of that stuff.

http://www.sell.com/23KWZK

just wondering....is Hydroxycut better than an ECA or ECY?

Originally Posted by KgTomCat

just wondering....is Hydroxycut better than an ECA or ECY?

Nope, unless it's the pre-ban stuff ECA or ECY = the best.

thanks man

i need help with timing...
first dose-pre morning cardio
second dose-4 or 5 hours hours later or wait and make it pre WO?
third dose-4 or 5 hours later-after I last took it or after my WO?

whats in bold are my questions

Originally Posted by KgTomCat

i need help with timing...
first dose-pre morning cardio
second dose-4 or 5 hours hours later or wait and make it pre WO?
third dose-4 or 5 hours later-after I last took it or after my WO?

For the second dose, I'd take it pre-workout, it'll help you push harder in the gym.

If you train late though (5pm onwards) I wouldn't, take it earlier or you might have trouble sleeping.

Originally Posted by KgTomCat

just wondering....is Hydroxycut better than an ECA or ECY?

Hydroxycut is like any other goddamn MT product . . .

Originally Posted by KgTomCat

i need help with timing...
first dose-pre morning cardio
second dose-4 or 5 hours hours later or wait and make it pre WO?
third dose-4 or 5 hours later-after I last took it or after my WO?

The way i layed it out is how I take it

5am, 10am, 3pm

If i end up going to the gym at say 230pm... i will adjust and take my 3rd dose at 2pm.

like today I plan to do my CrossFit at 10am... so I am going to adjust it an take it at 930am.... my first dose was at 530am, so not axactly 5hr spread.

im sure if you dont take a dose exactly pre-workout.. it will still have the same effect

thanks guys, ill figure it out...when I lift changes everyday cuz of school and whatnot

I was looking around, I'm trying to figure out how long I can safely run a ECY stack, I found either...
A)4 weeks on, 2 weeks off 4/2
B)2 weeks on/2 weeks off 2/2

what does anyone think about this?
also, I might start mine next week and log it