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    I've considered going paleo or modified paleo a few times, then I looked at my bank account and realized with my caloric requirements going all grass fed organic free range meats and eschewing cheaper carbs like rice, oats, and whole grain pastas did not fit my budget
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    agreed.

    It would cost twice as much to do and you'd lose tons of anabolic activity due to seriously decreased carbohydrate intake.
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    Cultish crap. Paleo is neither logical nor sensical. It belongs hand in hand with the non-existent programming of crossfit.
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    Originally Posted by twiztid7 View Post
    Cultish crap. Paleo is neither logical nor sensical. It belongs hand in hand with the non-existent programming of crossfit.
    I totally agree. It all just annoys me. Pretentious athletes. I'd rather go the Henry Rollins route. Eat a lot and lift heavy in my garage barefoot than spend $100 a month so I can be part of their elite 'crew'. The only thing badass about CF is they puke a lot from working out and their women clean the same amount the men do.
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    Nice article; well written, presents a balanced view with credible references.
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post

    I totally agree. It all just annoys me. Pretentious athletes. I'd rather go the Henry Rollins route. Eat a lot and lift heavy in my garage barefoot than spend $100 a month so I can be part of their elite 'crew'. The only thing badass about CF is they puke a lot from working out and their women clean the same amount the men do.
    This guy right here, rocks for mentioning Rollins!
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    Originally Posted by compudog View Post
    Nice article; well written, presents a balanced view with credible references.
    But does it work is the question.

    I've never seen a single super athlete or super anything that used this diet. I just see mediocrity.

    Considering that diet is 80% of anything physical, I'd say that the physical results of the diet says alot about the diet itself...
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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    But does it work is the question.

    I've never seen a single super athlete or super anything that used this diet. I just see mediocrity.

    Considering that diet is 80% of anything physical, I'd say that the physical results of the diet says alot about the diet itself...
    Maybe I read it wrong. I thought the author doesn't support the paleo diet. There was a quote from the Phd who wrote the book, then 2 quotes from what I assume would be peers of that person, saying it's questionable at best. Something like, "Our ancestors only had life expectancy of about 25 years on that diet. Maybe it's not such a good idea..."

    Just to be clear, I agree with the author; IMO the paleo diet is a fad masquerading as logic. It just doesn't make much sense at all. People have prospered since paleo times, almost entirely due to the advent of agriculture. The whole idea that "everything is wrong now", and "it used to be right but we humans screwed it up" is just nonsense. I won't go any further into that here, only to call bull**** on the whole concept.
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    Originally Posted by compudog View Post
    Maybe I read it wrong. I thought the author doesn't support the paleo diet. There was a quote from the Phd who wrote the book, then 2 quotes from what I assume would be peers of that person, saying it's questionable at best. Something like, "Our ancestors only had life expectancy of about 25 years on that diet. Maybe it's not such a good idea..."

    Just to be clear, I agree with the author; IMO the paleo diet is a fad masquerading as logic. It just doesn't make much sense at all. People have prospered since paleo times, almost entirely due to the advent of agriculture. The whole idea that "everything is wrong now", and "it used to be right but we humans screwed it up" is just nonsense. I won't go any further into that here, only to call bull**** on the whole concept.
    Agreed. I wasn't suggesting an argument by saying that. Just simply saying that regardless what any expert has to say about it on paper, it doesn't do any better and possibly only worse in real life measures.
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    Originally Posted by bono1132 View Post

    This guy right here, rocks for mentioning Rollins!
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    Where it all started

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/35-older/217572-one-can-never.html
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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Agreed. I wasn't suggesting an argument by saying that. Just simply saying that regardless what any expert has to say about it on paper, it doesn't do any better and possibly only worse in real life measures.
    Ok, I understand, and I agree with what you're saying. It often seems that once a person is in a position to be called an expert, and presumably to write something on the subject they're supposed to be expert on or otherwise speak with a voice of authority, that they're too compromised by that very position to make much actual sense. Instead they have to pander to the opinions of those who put them on that pedestal. In short, the expert game these days is more about politics than game.
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    HIIT style training with weights+non-processed foods+Anavar= ya, nothing new Crossfit... except now I can't have my peanut butter. Thanks for nothing....
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    HIIT style training with weights+non-processed foods+Anavar= ya, nothing new Crossfit... except now I can't have my peanut butter. Thanks for nothing....
    No peanut butter? BLASPHEMY!
    Where it all started

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    What are you people thinking wow all those grains have made you guys ignorant and naive. The paleo diet is so much better for you than what you're doing now. You may feel fine now but give it a true shot for 30 days and see how you feel and perform. You'll clear up any autoimmune issues and gut problems. Do your home work before dismissing it. Geez. Look up robb wolf and read his blog it's very interesting and makes more sense than loading up on grains. Oooo yea and don't forget that the people of the paleo times also didn't have houses, vaccines, and they to we're being hunted by other animals so yea I'm sure if we lived back then especially you grain heads you wouldn't' make 1 year.
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    Clear up autoimmune disorders? Nice regurge there. All you've done is removed the stimuli, the autoimmunity is still there. Come on in and use your first post to try to bash guys that were finishing their degree in nutrition when you were graduating 1st grade. Who's talking about grains in here? We're talking about bandwagon fad diets and elitist athletic groups. We've seen them come and go and we're all up to date on gluten and gut health, thanks for explaining it to us though. God, last night was like attack of the know-it-all newb night.
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Clear up autoimmune disorders? Nice regurge there. All you've done is removed the stimuli, the autoimmunity is still there. Come on in and use your first post to try to bash guys that were finishing their degree in nutrition when you were graduating 1st grade. Who's talking about grains in here? We're talking about bandwagon fad diets and elitist athletic groups. We've seen them come and go and we're all up to date on gluten and gut health, thanks for explaining it to us though. God, last night was like attack of the know-it-all newb night.
    lol, nice finishing touches, M.

    Besides that, I recently talked to a nutritionist (freshly graduated one with up-to-date schooling..if that matters) and she told me to not be a fool to the marketing ploys of diets and gluten-free stuff. According to science, the only people that have an "intolerance" to gluten products are in fact people with the auto-immune disease called Celiac disease which according to her only about 2-5% of the population has such a disease.

    So you dropped all grains from your diet, which would include wheat, any bread, pastas, quinoa, etc etc (which by the way are very, very nutritionally sound) and you claim that you feel less "bloated"? Well duh! You just killed 75% of all starches from your diet. Of course you are gonna lean up! Of course you are gonna carry less water weight! Starches are known to cause the body to hold water more effectively and it is a well-understood approach to cut those types out when you want to dry out and get ripped.

    But who lives in pre-contest mode longer than 10% of the year!?!?! Paleo and gluten-free is a marketing ploy. Don't believe me? Go to a grocery store like Target for instance and find a regular sauce on the shelf and then find the gluten free version - the first thing that should jump out at you is the 300% price increase for "Gluten-Free" products!
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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    lol, nice finishing touches, M.

    Besides that, I recently talked to a nutritionist (freshly graduated one with up-to-date schooling..if that matters) and she told me to not be a fool to the marketing ploys of diets and gluten-free stuff. According to science, the only people that have an "intolerance" to gluten products are in fact people with the auto-immune disease called Celiac disease which according to her only about 2-5% of the population has such a disease.

    So you dropped all grains from your diet, which would include wheat, any bread, pastas, quinoa, etc etc (which by the way are very, very nutritionally sound) and you claim that you feel less "bloated"? Well duh! You just killed 75% of all starches from your diet. Of course you are gonna lean up! Of course you are gonna carry less water weight! Starches are known to cause the body to hold water more effectively and it is a well-understood approach to cut those types out when you want to dry out and get ripped.

    But who lives in pre-contest mode longer than 10% of the year!?!?! Paleo and gluten-free is a marketing ploy. Don't believe me? Go to a grocery store like Target for instance and find a regular sauce on the shelf and then find the gluten free version - the first thing that should jump out at you is the 300% price increase for "Gluten-Free" products!
    And just to be clear about my experience, I've had diets so strict that they'd make this Paleo look like a field trip to candy land. Chicken, dry oats, and greens. Really, did it for 3-4 weeks straight.

    Did I feel awesome? If it weren't for the Test/Tren combo, I might've gone insane and jumped off a cliff or something to that extent. It was horrible.
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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    And just to be clear about my experience, I've had diets so strict that they'd make this Paleo look like a field trip to candy land. Chicken, dry oats, and greens. Really, did it for 3-4 weeks straight.

    Did I feel awesome? If it weren't for the Test/Tren combo, I might've gone insane and jumped off a cliff or something to that extent. It was horrible.
    I like most aspects of the diet, to be totally honest. I used to eat 200-300 tums a month until I removed gluten completely although I am not celiac. I also believe GMO foods causes an obnoxious amount of gut health problems. Once I removed these two, life has been easy. Personal choice that applies only to me. And i respect all others opinions. You can only read so many studies in a day and at the end of it you're usually only an expert at what works best for yourself... Its been annoying lately, someone creates an account and goes right to town explaining shyt to experienced bb'ers like they aren't familiar with the last decade's worth of fad diets.
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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I might've gone insane and jumped off a cliff or something to that extent. It was horrible.
    Kind of like when someone talks about their crossfit gym like its a holy place or how 'ripped' cromag man was?!?!
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    I like most aspects of the diet, to be totally honest. I used to eat 200-300 tums a month until I removed gluten completely although I am not celiac. I also believe GMO foods causes an obnoxious amount of gut health problems. Once I removed these two, life has been easy. Personal choice that applies only to me. And i respect all others opinions. You can only read so many studies in a day and at the end of it you're usually only an expert at what works best for yourself... Its been annoying lately, someone creates an account and goes right to town explaining shyt to experienced bb'ers like they aren't familiar with the last decade's worth of fad diets.
    This is true. I have no stomach issues until I start taking large doses of MCT oil on top of my heavy grains diet. If anything, I'll just stick to cutting grains in pre-contest prep. Carbs are so essential in my quest for swoleness that I'd never be able to make it by hindering my choices like that.

    non-GMO stuff again would be a great option if it were affordable. When I become a millionnaire, I'll be sure to switch over to non-GMO, 100% organic foods. Until then, I'll keep eating the same stuff I have been eating since I was a child.

    BTW, I also have a healthy amount of fresh veggies and deer meat that most people do not have regular access to. This I think makes a difference too.
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Kind of like when someone talks about their crossfit gym like its a holy place or how 'ripped' cromag man was?!?!
    Yeah Crossfit folks are kinda gungho about their training. I think its a place for people that failed or struggle to get physique-transforming results. They usually are jus caught up in perfomance lifting numbers and not overall physical health, including what the body looks like on the inside such as cholesterol, inflammation, etc etc.
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    Costco and home-grown veggies is the best I can do for now. :(
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    Not to beat on a dead horse, but here is a nicely put article on gluten-intolerances and the misconceptions as well as the facts - http://business.time.com/2013/03/13/...ten-free-food/

    I'm not discounting the fact that people have a mild form of gluten intolerance and others worse with Celiac disease, but those two combined make up less than 7% of all people in the U.S. Now why in the world nearly 1/3 of all people in the U.S. are following this gluten-free protocol I cannot understand. I think this article has a good explanation:

    Balzer thinks the gluten-free craze is an evolution and an expansion of the low-carb trend. Unlike a dietary modification that affects only a fraction of the population, like cutting out certain foods to reduce cholesterol, framing the gluten issue as being about “wellness” makes it inclusive enough that everyone can participate. “Digestive health has become a buzzword of how to deal with health in America today,” Balzer says. Probiotics are another popular food trend that fits the wellness category.

    “We’ve come to address health as something beyond removal” of ingredients, he says. In other words, we’ve abandoned the idea of deprivation and decided that instead of simply eating less to feel better and be healthy, we’ll just eat different stuff. “The concept of being on a diet is, I think, losing favor even if you are watching what you eat,” Balzer says. “It’s so much easier for Americans to say I’m concerned with wellness — I’m on a gluten-free diet.’”

    ^^^Sounds exactly like the Paleo Diet. Dont limit your intake, just change what you can eat...
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    Just personal opinion also. I don't believe the problem is gluten, really... It's the GMO wheat it came from. When I eat Ezekiel vs. Subway bread, I can tell you its two different universes. I just made a decision because bulking at my new job requires far less carbs and I can easily survive on brown rice, quinoa, oats, yams and greens. I would have no other reason to avoid gluten if it didn't cause indigestion for me. I think its insanity to join a fad diet for long term health or even body composition. Too many variables for each individual.
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Just personal opinion also. I don't believe the problem is gluten, really... It's the GMO wheat it came from. When I eat Ezekiel vs. Subway bread, I can tell you its two different universes. I just made a decision because bulking at my new job requires far less carbs and I can easily survive on brown rice, quinoa, oats, yams and greens. I would have no other reason to avoid gluten if it didn't cause indigestion for me. I think its insanity to join a fad diet for long term health or even body composition. Too many variables for each individual.
    That's a good thought to consider. I am sort of dredding the Daniel's Fast that I am coming up on (a 3 week fast) that calls for no breads whatsoever except Ezekial bread, along with no artificual sweeteners, processed foods of any sort. It's pretty much a vegetarian's diet on steroids. However, mine will be modified to accept one large serving of chicken per day and BCAA's in the form of XTEND powder.

    I think you may be right about it though because Jay Cutler eats Ezekial bread only, too.

    It's gonna be an interesting find to see what 3500+ calories per day of fruits & veggies only will look like, lol.
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    I'm almost 240 and I have to drop down to 3500 on off days 70/15/15. Its crazy when you sit all day at work how little carbs you need to bulk at 35yo. Are you competing again?
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    Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    I'm almost 240 and I have to drop down to 3500 on off days 70/15/15. Its crazy when you sit all day at work how little carbs you need to bulk at 35yo. Are you competing again?
    I plan to compete again next year. Probably late next year like August thru October. I still need to pack on about 20lbs of mass before cutting. When I decide to cut, I'm gonna do it slow and steady to preserve every ounce of hard-earned muscle mass. Something like a 16 week cut, with each 4 week phase getting more intense.

    If I can do it correctly, I hope to be show ready w/ 7% BF @ 178-180lbs. I'm only 5'5" so you can understand that 180lbs = 17" arms, 26" legs and 44" chest. BTW, thats a full 30lbs heavier than what I was last time I competed, lol. So while I took off 24 months, I essentially will have averaged 15lbs of lean gains per year. At this rate I would be knocking on the door of the 200lb club within 3-4 years from now.
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    Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    When I decide to cut, I'm gonna do it slow and steady to preserve every ounce of hard-earned muscle mass. Something like a 16 week cut, with each 4 week phase getting more intense.
    Brilliant, be sure to log this as I will be doing it similarly for MP. I'm getting fat but 20 weeks should do fine.
    At 6'3 I will be happy to go up there @ 230 lbs. I'd have to be competing at 275 to do what you're doing and stand a chance!
    Don't forget to log!
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