Article: Red Meat Kills?

[The Press]

You can view the page at http://anabolicminds.com/forum/conte...Red-Meat-Kills

[howwedo107]

Guess I'll die a young death or go into some kind of red meat induced coma

[brendan808]

If i die and they cut me open for the autopsy i want the while room to suddenly smell like steak and the smell of mahogany and leather bound books.

[UKNoko]

Read it while eating 16oz steak. F*ck yeah!

[AaronJP1]

If i die and they cut me open for the autopsy i want the while room to suddenly smell like steak and the smell of mahogany and leather bound books.

lol...


Str8 bullshít...

Yeah eat cookies and Oreos instead alon with all fried foods?

I'd rather red meat from my foreman grill.

[ozarkaBRAND]

How many of those people smoked, drank, were overweight, had unhealthy lifestyles, etc? There's no "control" in that. Sure, someone that's a vegetarian might live longer on average because of statistics, but is that because of their diet or because people that actively choose that diet are (on average) more aware of their health in other aspects as well?

[SXIPro]

How many of those people smoked, drank, were overweight, had unhealthy lifestyles, etc? There's no "control" in that. Sure, someone that's a vegetarian might live longer on average because of statistics, but is that because of their diet or because people that actively choose that diet are (on average) more aware of their health in other aspects as well?

I'd rather die 10 years early than be a vegetarian. No joke.

[UKNoko]

Turning vegetarian would be like spitting on graves of my ancestors.

This study is a typical example of statisticians failing at "corelation vs causation" clause

[SXIPro]

Turning vegetarian would be like spitting on graves of my ancestors.

This study is a typical example of statisticians failing at "corelation vs causation" clause

Tell me about it!! My Dad was a butcher. I probably ate my weight in red meat every week from the day I could chew until the day I moved away from home.

[ozarkaBRAND]

I'd rather die 10 years early than be a vegetarian. No joke.

My point is that you probably won't die 10 years earlier by eating red meat.

[MuscleGauge1]

If your going to die. At least die happy. Steak Forever

[bboyflash]

"People who ate more red meat were less physically active and more likely to smoke and had a higher body mass index" this author obviously biased and must not know of Dr. D pasquale or Lyle mcdonald

[farmtireguy]

Just goes to show how they tend to cherry pick studies to prove their view

[evandem27]

this is dumb... end of story... air causes cancer... everything pretty much causes some type of cancer. I think I'll take my risk eatting steak

[UKNoko]

Guys at Predator Nutrition took time to analyze this study (you can find it on their blog, I couldn't find what is the policy here for posting external links and as domain gets starred out automatically, I assume it's not OK)

Highlights:

"This involved a 61 item food [biennial] questionnaire which asked participants their intake of different food and beverages in the previous year. Over the years the number of foods considered were increased so that eventually up to 166 items were on the questionnaire."

"Population Used – The sample was based overwhelmingly on white, health workers"

"red meat consumption showed an increased risk of ill health or death independent of exercise activity or body mass index, such that just by exercising and not being fat you cannot assume it protects you from the negative effects of red meat according to this study."

"The likely greater health risks associated with processed meats despite similar levels of saturated fat and iron levels was attributed to other components in processed meat, particularly sodium and nitrite levels, with sodium intake linked to elevated blood pressure and nitrite concentrations linked to insulin resistance and endothelial dysfunction."

"Until we see a study comparing different cuts of meat and red meat sourced via different sources (grass fed versus can fed for instance) it makes the findings of this study less applicable to those who consume healthier sources of red meat."

"It is hard to argue against the bad results found for processed meats, nor do they constitute a surprise. Having salty, fatty, and processed foods is a bad idea in general "

"Something to note in the study was that exercise patterns were measured based on self-reported hours of physical activity which, for all we know, could mean someone walking along at an easy stroll. "

"Given the fact the vast majority of people in this study would likely be consuming red meat with a high carbohydrate diet it does make the relevance of the results specific to that group. A low carbohydrate diet would be associated with greater ability to utilise the fats in red meat for fuel compared to high red meat consumption with a high carbohydrate diet. Until we see further research in this area, firm conclusions should be avoided."

"Even if we accept the data presented at face value it has to be stressed that correlation equal or equal causation so there is nothing in the study to show a correlation between higher red meat intake and negative health outcomes. "

"the raw data before any statistical manipulation shows that those consuming a moderate amount of red meat as opposed to those consuming the least show the best life expectancy. If we split red meat comsumption into five quintile, those in the third quintile show the best results. Those in the fourth and fifth quintiles showing increased risk of mortality are also the ones with the very poorers lifestyles. The fact that the raw data for deaths per quintile does not match the headlines clearly shows that the impact of lifestyle factors was poorly accounted for."

[dewing246]

This study was totally done by Chick-Fil-A.

[morry]

This study was totally done by Chick-Fil-A.

:lol: eat more chiken!!!

[compudog]

" they found that each daily increase of three ounces of red meat was associated with a 12 percent greater risk of dying over all"

What nonsense. Last time I checked, the risk of dying was 100%. How can that be increased?

Considering that everyone dies, and nearly everyone eats red meat, I can't see how it would actually be possible to determine a cause and effect relationship between eating red meat and dying. More bunk "science".

[_Nomad_]

Is Harvard really this stupid? Its because of fat people, duh.

No one bothered to isolate the overweight and obese from the normal weight red meat eaters?

[UKNoko]

Is Harvard really this stupid? Its because of fat people, duh.

No one bothered to isolate the overweight and obese from the normal weight red meat eaters?

It was based on a group of health workers. How many healthy people do you expect to have there?
It reminds me when one obese nurse was giving me nutrition advice. It was just hilarious.