Is AndroGel The Right Choice?****
01-03-2008 11:53 PM
Is AndroGel The Right Choice?****
I had some bloodwork done recently my free test levels were low for my age and my LH and pitiuitary gland functions were normal, My doctor ran a Total Testosterone test today. He gave me a prescription for Androgel and told me if my test had risen by monday morning we would disregard the rx. I was just wondering what an alternative to this would be. Ive heard if my levels are fine with just low free test i could use clomid therapy?
I also had a question about androgel and fertility. I am 20 years old and i do plan to have children.
Any help would be great im kinda stuck her noone seems to be helping.
01-04-2008 03:38 AM
thats a tough call. I'm only a couple years older then you and my test levels are low as well, endo offered TRT but I opted out. Figured I would ride it out a couple of years and see where things are at.
How low is your test?
01-04-2008 02:52 PM
i havent gotten the actually results in paper but he was saying around 200
01-04-2008 07:45 PM
01-06-2008 09:27 AM
Originally Posted by BSanders
I'm a 45 year old male and my levels were 221. I've been put on Androgel and it has been a blessing in many ways.
However at 20 I don't know I'd do the same.
If you do choose to try it I would suggest trying a 3 month cycle (3 on 3 off) and see how you feel in both circumstances. I would also not go above 5mg dose per day. Make your decision from what makes you feel best.
Like yourself, my LH is normal, my test is low. That suggests production problems and not a signaling problem. That would mean that you probably will not suffer the testicular side effects some do because you continue to have decent LH levels which continue to stimulate the testese.
Lastly, don't expect an overnight change with this stuff. It can take 4 to 7 days for you to start feeling things, and if you miss a dose, you may feel that within 48 hours. Choose the application sites properly and use it the way it is prescribed. In general it is the safest way to up your test levels with no serious side effects.
01-06-2008 09:36 AM
The problem with cycling is that it will inhibit him. He may feel good on 5g/d of AndroGel for three months and then when he cycles off for three months he will feel even worse than he did before because he is inhibited.
After someone introduces exogenous testosterone into their system their LH will stop signaling the testicles. This lack of signal will atrophy his testicles to a degree that varies from person to person.
I suggest that at your age I would look into diet and exercise that will improve your levels in a natural way rather than using a lifelong treatment plan that you may not follow for he next 60yrs and which may further inhibit you when you go off it 3 months form now.
Get a referral to an endocrinologist and have a full profile run on you and have him consider means to stimulate your HPTA without the use of exogenous testosterone.
FYI: Male Anti-Aging Medicine
01-06-2008 02:02 PM
I'm not 100% certain that is correct. I believe that if the amount of Test introduced keeps his levels within norm, the LH will continue at normal levels. However if there is a tendancy toward larger doses the effect would be to shut down the LH pathway.
Originally Posted by B5150
I've been on the stuff since June, and LH levels are stable, and there is no atrophy
01-06-2008 07:19 PM
Stable at what level?
After administration of exogenous testosterone, once we are at a level that is within normal range there is no need for the LH to signal to produce testosterone. This is not to say that it will drop to zero but it will be very low.
This amount of atrophy one experiences is an individual thing of course as some do not experience it and some do to a great degree.
It may be, and if IIRC, that AndroGel daily application is more mild on the HPTA as it is in daily doses and is more in line with our normal testosterone cycles of high to low throughout the day.
Consider that many many men who are treated with TRT also are treated with hCG for the very reason being that LH hormone is plummeted. As a result they are experiencing testicular atrophy or reduced sperm count (desire to conceive) as a result of lowered LH.
I gather to what level ones LH is stable would depend upon their dose, administration and their individual endocrinology.
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