A bit of education on sex drive for newbies

[wardog]

I dont know what section to put this in, so MODS please move it if needed.

I am seeing posts about mixing fina and 1-test quite a bit, and I have a suspicion that people are going to try it, and start bragging that their libido is fine..causing others to try the same folly. For those who are new to PH or AAS, and those just starting, let me give you a bit of my experience.

#1 Fina will shut you down HARD. I ran it for 8 weeks my first time, and ended up with issues still 3-4 months later. I was also believing T-rag at the time that I didnt need post-cycle anciliaries after fina..dumb dumb, dumb.

#2 1-test will shut you down as well, just not as bad.

Mixing the two...IMHO, just should not happen. If you do..the first two weeks or so..you will be FOOLED, and this is why:

When you first introduce an androgen, no matter what it is, it attaches to the receptor, letting your natural testosterone production keep flowing thru the bloodstream as free testosterone because you have put little fina or 1-test guys on some of the receptors. This will actually INCREASE your sex drive for the first couple of weeks, as your body slowly shuts down its natural test production. Once natty test is shut down, THEN you will start seeing the libido killing effects. Before that, you will think "Wow, for me, fina (or 1-test) is INCREASING my sex drive" You are wrong, and your getting a false sense of condfidence.

After the first few weeks..then you will feel the crunch (or the limpness..lol)

The old timer rule that every cycle should have some test in it, is something I firmly believe in. If your using PH, then it should be a 4-AD base as opposed to test. If you want to try to disprove this, and go making your 1-test and fina cycles with nothing else, feel free..it is YOUR sex drive. Whats the point of looking great, and attracting the hotties..if you can't do a damn thing about it?? LOL!

 

[Lifeguard]

The old timer rule that every cycle should have some test in it, is something I firmly believe in. If your using PH, then it should be a 4-AD base as opposed to test. If you want to try to disprove this, and go making your 1-test and fina cycles with nothing else, feel free..it is YOUR sex drive. Whats the point of looking great, and attracting the hotties..if you can't do a damn thing about it?? LOL!

I've done 2 PH cycles already (1,4-andro/4-AD and 5-AA/4-AD)

my sex drive was descent while on those, not the best, just descent...

...I do not have the desire to know what it would have been like without 4-AD in there.

and my current cycle has a ton of 4-AD in it compared to my other ones.

 

[Alpha Dog]

Wardog for Moderator..........

 

[Lifeguard]

Wardog for Moderator..........

yup!

 

[BrKonman]

Agreed! I may be new to the scene, but I read and researched enough to know that if I don't want a girlfriend ready to kill, you better put SOMETHING in there to keep your libido running. Even doing short 2 weekers, the effects still kick in on me. Didn't notice it on my first 3 week cycle, but since then by the second week of any cycle, theres the effects. Do yourselves a favor and follow wardog's advice!

 

[Sean]

You have NO idea how pissed off my wife got when I told her I didn't want any while I was on an 8-week cycle of 1-test.

 

[wardog]

Yea Sean, ever notice..it is okay for the ladies not to want it..but when the GUY says no..ohh geeezzz..it starts a friggin war!! LOL!

You start turning them down..and the whole "are you seeing someone else" routine starts...and with the shortened fina temper...THAT just never goes well..lmao

For me, Norephridrine used to do the same thing to me..I could be in a room with 100 naked cheerleaders..and I would be completely uninterested

 

[Sean]

Women...*shakes head*
Glad to see someone else is on the same boat as I am.
But then no matter how much straight 1-test I'm on, I don't think 100 naked cheerleaders couldn't get me going.

 

[wardog]

*laughs* you know, I was giving it some thought last night, and we may say *women* yet..think about it..if your wife suddenly started looking better than ever, and yet, wanted nothing to do with you..what would YOU be thinking?? LOL!! I think I would be asking her who SHE was seeing...so..can't blame them completely..lol!

Now on the other hand, when I have run even very heavy 4-AD cycles (let alone test) I have had women I am seeing BEGGING me to find another GF on the side..just to give them a break..lol!! Nothing quite like that look of fear in their eyes when you kick in the door with the gleam in your eyes going "Daddys HOME baby!!!"

 

[Matthew D]

LMAO... now that is something I can relate to... except I have to worry about where the kids are..

 

[Sean]

Nothing like ol' 4-ad to get it up! Sometimes I wondew if the stuff is better than Viagra - Pfizer is gonna be pretty pissed off if it is, hehe.

 

[wardog]

Run it at 1200mg/day transdermal..geeez..I was looking 97 year old grandmas with a gleam in my eye

 

[Sean]

LOL, my grandma is 96 years old!

 

[Rhinoman]

Originally posted by wardog
I dont know what section to put this in, so MODS please move it if needed.

I am seeing posts about mixing fina and 1-test quite a bit, and I have a suspicion that people are going to try it, and start bragging that their libido is fine..causing others to try the same folly. For those who are new to PH or AAS, and those just starting, let me give you a bit of my experience.

#1 Fina will shut you down HARD. I ran it for 8 weeks my first time, and ended up with issues still 3-4 months later. I was also believing T-rag at the time that I didnt need post-cycle anciliaries after fina..dumb dumb, dumb.

#2 1-test will shut you down as well, just not as bad.

Mixing the two...IMHO, just should not happen. If you do..the first two weeks or so..you will be FOOLED, and this is why:

When you first introduce an androgen, no matter what it is, it attaches to the receptor, letting your natural testosterone production keep flowing thru the bloodstream as free testosterone because you have put little fina or 1-test guys on some of the receptors. This will actually INCREASE your sex drive for the first couple of weeks, as your body slowly shuts down its natural test production. Once natty test is shut down, THEN you will start seeing the libido killing effects. Before that, you will think "Wow, for me, fina (or 1-test) is INCREASING my sex drive" You are wrong, and your getting a false sense of condfidence.

After the first few weeks..then you will feel the crunch (or the limpness..lol)

The old timer rule that every cycle should have some test in it, is something I firmly believe in. If your using PH, then it should be a 4-AD base as opposed to test. If you want to try to disprove this, and go making your 1-test and fina cycles with

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nothing else, feel free..it is YOUR sex drive. Whats the point of looking great, and attracting the hotties..if you can't do a damn thing about it?? LOL!

 

 

Thanks for the info, will have in mind if I choose that route.

 

[jweave23]

Great post Wardog. Just 1-test alone and my libido is shot. Haven't tried a fina mix yet (ironically my father actually has some cows, hmmm...I'll have to go and see them more often!) although I may later, still researching now.

Funny you said the norephedrine thing because I get the same thing from that, no drive at all. Thanks for the info.

 

[curt2go]

That is so true Wardog.. Very good post. I really don't know why anyone would not want some 4-ad or 'test' in the mix in the first place. But whatever. I always recomend at least 1/2 as much 4-ad/day as 1-test and that the min. How was it to do 1200mg transdermally. Boner all the time. Man I get horney about 1 hr after applicating mine .. But 1200 man...... Talk to ya

 

[curt2go]

Oh yeah when you do a cycle longer than 3 weeks te worst part in when you come off and you have nothing in your system. Nad if you don't elevat them quick then your wife will not like your. You just have complete didinterest the whole time. It took me 6 weeks to get mine back last time.... Talk to ya

The moral of the story is post cycle is important.. TAlk to ya

 

[wardog]

Curt, I ran 4-AD 1200 mg/day transdermally for 4 weeks this summer to cut..using viratase as well to cut bloat. Overall, I felt the kick in about 3 days, and it just kept getting sicker and sicker...I had great energy, and the hormones..were just plain terrible. I came off using nothing and really had no shutdown. Overall, I would do it again..at least for cutting, I have never had much success with 4-ad and bulking.

 

[Aneas]

One thing to keep in mind is everybody is different you need to figure out how your body will react.


Fina - only increases my libido and I have run it 12 weeks alone.

1-test however kills my libido.

I would definately not stack them just becuase I am afraid what they would do to me togther.

I think its best to try both compounds alone before you try to stack them

If I did try it I would have test prop on hand just in case.

 

[snakeman458]

wardog;
thanks for the great post, that is definatley something to think about, esp if you are married as alot of us are. i am glad i came back to the board.:shoot:

 

[SCORPIO]

Good info. wardog..........1200mg of 4ad a day! damn!!!!! I knew you had to be using viratase for that.

I would like to mention a meathod that worked for me, which others might like to try. I made two seperate batches of 1-test and 4ad, so that I could adjust the doseage according to how my body responded to it. As opposed to mixing the 1-test and 4ad. Just a thought.

By the way what are you guys using after a 4wk cycle (1-test/4ad) for example, 6-oxo or just zma? Thanks

 

[YellowJacket]

Good info. wardog..........1200mg of 4ad a day! damn!!!!! I knew you had to be using viratase for that.

I would like to mention a meathod that worked for me, which others might like to try. I made two seperate batches of 1-test and 4ad, so that I could adjust the doseage according to how my body responded to it. As opposed to mixing the 1-test and 4ad. Just a thought.

By the way what are you guys using after a 4wk cycle (1-test/4ad) for example, 6-oxo or just zma? Thanks

Scorpio!! You should have made a post in the off topic section on your arrival! Good info by the way and we're glad you came over

 

[MySoulFindsRest]

Sex drive means nothing to me. Would there still be a problem with combining the two if your like me and don't care? I'm odd, I know. I'd think if yourgoing to be shut down, it doesn't matter if it's from one androgen or both. As long as you have post cycle ancillaries, like clomid, it'd be ok correct?

 

[Rhinoman]

Originally posted by SCORPIO
Good info. wardog..........1200mg of 4ad a day! damn!!!!! I knew you had to be using viratase for that.

I would like to mention a meathod that worked for me, which others might like to try. I made two seperate batches of 1-test and 4ad, so that I could adjust the doseage according to how my body responded to it. As opposed to mixing the 1-test and 4ad. Just a thought.

By the way what are you guys using after a 4wk cycle (1-test/4ad) for example, 6-oxo or just zma? Thanks

This is a good thing to do, Sadly I did not apply this principle got bloated as hell, now will change the approach however! I am last days in post cycle, I am using 6OXO and this thing is wonderful. Highly Recomended!

 

[wardog]

Sex drive means nothing to me. Would there still be a problem with combining the two if your like me and don't care? I'm odd, I know. I'd think if yourgoing to be shut down, it doesn't matter if it's from one androgen or both. As long as you have post cycle ancillaries, like clomid, it'd be ok correct?

If your going to do it, in my opinion 1-test is much weaker than fina. Why bother with 1-test, just add more fina. There is no extra "benifit" that the 1-test will supply, unlike test or 4-AD which would bring their own benifits to the cycle.

Just my opinion

 

[MySoulFindsRest]

Thanks Wardog.

 

[DarCSA]

Good read bros. I like the sex subject. I don't do my cycle till March and I am glad to see a lot of issues being addressed that I will need answers for when I do my cycle.

 

[Technics]

well, 1-test kinda helped me out , i used to get a little too excited when i would have sex, so the 1-test kinda made me able to control myself a little better now i dont get wood just by having a girl sit on me or something like that lol