I'm looking for feedback from members who have tried this. Any feedback?
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IMHO you will get a much higher delivery rate without all the alcohol. I agree, PJU is a bit of a bitch to compound. The traditional squirt bottle transdermals are much easier. Just add powder and shake. However, I believe if you give it a try you will find even better results with the batch being thicker. My favorite TD batch is 150mg 4AD/ 50mg 4OHT per ml. You will need a 60ml syringe. Tkae 9g of 4AD and 3g of 4OHT in a concave bowl or mortar. Add 3 to 5 ml of ethyl and levigate with a pestal or spatula and be sure to break down the 4OHT as the 4AD will blend easily into the ethyl. Once you have a paste weigh out the balance of PJU to make up the 60ml. So if you used 4ml of ethyl and you have a total of 12g of powder, you will need 44ml of PJU. PJU is almost 1:1 ratio of volume to weight. 1ml of PJU weighs 1.01g, so weight out 43.5g of PJU and add it to your paste in equal portions. Blend well and thoroughly. Once completed, open a new 60ml syringe, pull the plunger out and load the batch into the back with a spatula. Let it sit overnight.Honestly, I liked them both. I could tell a distinct difference with the phlojel since I used the same amounts of 4AD applied a day and I bloated more on the phlojel than T-gel. I think the absorbtion rate of the phlojel is definitely higher because of this bloating, maybe around 15-20% I would guess. The T-gel is easier to compound, but the phlojel dried faster and didnt run as much as the t-gel when I did sweat. I bought a 450g jar for $60, and at an average of 120ml in T-gel bottles, it should last 3.5 bottles or around there. If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the phlojel again, but thats me.
200mg usually gives me a niacin flush. If you've never taken niacin in larger than 50mg doses before, you may want to start out at 100mg and work your way up. High doses of niacin causes severe itching if you're not accoustomed to it. It only last for about 15 minutes.How much niacin are you taking for this purpose? Thanks.
I'm probably going to use Plogel for my upcoming cycle. It was stated that if frozen it will separate and will not be able to go back into solution. If it is shipped in the winter, wouldn't it freeze? Any comments?
Yeah I'm the guy that had his PJU freeze. The mail comes several hours before I get home from work. It was out in the cold for several hours. After it thawed, I remixed it and made a small batch and it worked just fine. I'm on my second batch now and the jar of PJU separated very little between the batches.I've only seen one jar that actually froze and it was due to the fact that the mail man in question left the package in an outside mailbox on a day of below 30 degrees and the recipien didn't check his mail till the next day. I stand to be corrected but PLO Gel will freeze as well under these same conditions. Also, once frozen PhloJel doesn't seperate, however, some of the oil comes to the top but can easily be mixed back in.
Every package has a large label on it that says "Protect From Freezing". Most postal carriers will deliver sucha package to an indoor point such as the office of an apartment complex or ring your door bell, etc.
If you want to increase the amount of drug penetrating the skin (the epidermis) at a given concentration in the base then incorporating an additional penetration enhancer in the base might accomplish this. Common types of penetration enhancers in this context are menthol (1-3%), propylene glycol (5-10%), DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide, 5-15%) and d-limonene (1-3%). By their very nature they a tendency to disrupt the structure of the skin as well as the delivery system, PHLOJEL Ultra. Hence, products containing these are thin, more like a lotion but useable and effective. Menthol is a crystalline substance that requires considerable particle size reduction (levigation) in order to incorporate it and it has a strong odor and cooling sensation on the skin. DMSO is a strong penetration enhancer but is nonspecific with respect to what penetrates the skin (formulation ingredients also penetrate the skin significantly). Propylene glycol simply disrupts the water structure of skin allowing penetration through pores in the skin. D-limonene has been widely studied in Japan and has been shown to possess signifcant penetration power for a number of drugs applied from simple bases. It's related to menthol but doesn't have the disadvantages of menthol.
PhloJel is not a PLO. It has several other components that PLO's don't have and most notably, PhloJel does not have an Pluronic in it.I make my own Plogel
Carlito
Thanks for clearing that up , the Plogel I make is made of lecithin granules, Iso Palmitate, 90% isop alcohol , H2O, d-limonene and a surfactant blend of oils...it works well.PhloJel is not a PLO. It has several other components that PLO's don't have and most notably, PhloJel does not have an Pluronic in it.
PLO stands for Pluronic Lecithin Organogel. If you don't have any Pluronic in you formulation then you truely can't refer to it as a PLO gel. It would be classified as an LBO (Lecithin Based Organogel). You can find molecular weights as well as other information on various drugs and compounds here at the National Library of Medicine http://chem.sis.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/Thanks for clearing that up , the Plogel I make is made of lecithin granules, Iso Palmitate, 90% isop alcohol , H2O, d-limonene and a surfactant blend of oils...it works well.
BTW, do you know of any link where I can find a chart of molecular weights of hormones?
Thanks,
Carlito
I am 4 days in on a test cycle with Phojel Ultra and I already have some zits and other signs it is working. Definetly good stuff.
As far as absorbtion percentage of phlojel vs. this vs. that, etc. there is no way to put a number on it. There is a max out point on all of them, but even if you could determine it that doesnt mean every user is going to experience it. All you can do is try to maximize it as much as possible and hope for the best.
I been taking it at rising and at bed, but I just ran in to serious BP problems. I was up to 170/105. I took a break over the weekend and it is returning to normal. So I may lower the dosage or go to 1 a day dosing. I know all the level blood level stuff, but I believe you will get results from 1 a day dosing, you just put yourself at higher risk of sides.I started 3 days ago with test base and phlojel at 200mg/g and boldenone base 200mg/g. Definately works, unfortuantley I have strained my back and it's screwing up my lifting. I also will be using your liquid anavar recipe, thanks for taking the time.
anyways, are you applying doses once or twice daily. From the reference I read it looked like it peaks in 6-8 hours and a morning spike is preferred to minimize aromatase, so I am currently dosing around 8:00 am and right before I go to bed. I was hoping for your opinion on this.
thanks
Dosing once a day may not be that bad. Here is a cgart from the androgel clinical study, both total and free test steadily increased over 24 hours. So I'm not convinced that test levels are going to ping pong with once a day dosing.I been taking it at rising and at bed, but I just ran in to serious BP problems. I was up to 170/105. I took a break over the weekend and it is returning to normal. So I may lower the dosage or go to 1 a day dosing. I know all the level blood level stuff, but I believe you will get results from 1 a day dosing, you just put yourself at higher risk of sides.
Good to know. Thanks.Dosing once a day may not be that bad. Here is a cgart from the androgel clinical study, both total and free test steadily increased over 24 hours. So I'm not convinced that test levels are going to ping pong with once a day dosing.
Dosing once a day may not be that bad. Here is a cgart from the androgel clinical study, both total and free test steadily increased over 24 hours. So I'm not convinced that test levels are going to ping pong with once a day dosing.
Yes, you are correct enzymes vary by site. On the scalp or testes (never do this) you would get more DHT. Fatty areas will give more estrogen because of aromatase found in adipose tissue. Just use areas of thin skin.Thanks for the info, Triceptor recommends every 12 hours but it does not seem that critical. I apply mine to my testes, so 3-4 times per day is preferred (-:.
Please correct me if Im wrong, but....
Do enzymes that convert test exist in greater concentrations in different tissues/areas?
Is appyling to my testes going to give me greater conversion to DHT, verses applying to my tits which may have a greater amount of aromatase enzyme available. Or should we just worry about applying to areas in which the skin is thin, like tops of feet?
Yes, you are correct enzymes vary by site. On the scalp or testes (never do this) you would get more DHT. Fatty areas will give more estrogen because of aromatase found in adipose tissue. Just use areas of thin skin.
way too much information:nono:Thanks V!
I love DHT, perhaps this explains my hypermasculinity and frequent erections.
lozgod,Good to know. Thanks.
Triceptor posted the long version, but basically, I used a mortar and pestle to make the powder finer, mixed with some BA untill I had a paste and added the phlojel via geometric dillution. I think I was hasty with adding the phlojel. I dont think I let the nandrolone dissolve competely.lozgod,
I asked in snakebytes thread but maybe you missed it so I'll ask again. You mentioned your nandrolone didn't go into the gel very well. I was wondering what concentration you went for and how you did your mixing etc.
Triceptor posted the long version, but basically, I used a mortar and pestle to make the powder finer, mixed with some BA untill I had a paste and added the phlojel via geometric dillution. I think I was hasty with adding the phlojel. I dont think I let the nandrolone dissolve competely.lozgod,
I asked in snakebytes thread but maybe you missed it so I'll ask again. You mentioned your nandrolone didn't go into the gel very well. I was wondering what concentration you went for and how you did your mixing etc.
ThanksTriceptor posted the long version, but basically, I used a mortar and pestle to make the powder finer, mixed with some BA untill I had a paste and added the phlojel via geometric dillution. I think I was hasty with adding the phlojel. I dont think I let the nandrolone dissolve competely.
It was 150mg/ml
Triceptor posted the long version, but basically, I used a mortar and pestle to make the powder finer, mixed with some BA untill I had a paste and added the phlojel via geometric dillution. I think I was hasty with adding the phlojel. I dont think I let the nandrolone dissolve competely.
It was 150mg/ml
lol. ok. Here is how it works.geometric dillution? I thought that was a term used in civil engineering regarding GPS positioning?
illucidate for us simpletons please.
Illucidate is a cross between illuminate and elucidate, btw.
lol. ok. Here is how it works.
You want to mix 30 grams of pepper with 180 grams of salt, but want it evenly mixed.
You would:
Take the 30 grams of pepper and mix with 30 grams of salt. Mix until it is mixed well.
You now have a 60 grams mix.
Now add 60 grams of salt to your mix. Mix until evenly distributed.
You now have a 120 gram mix.
Finally add your remaining 120 grams of salt to the mix. Mix it up.
This will ensure a more accurate distribution than adding 30 grams of pepper to 180 grams of salt. It is the method I use when capping up my orals.
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