M1T transdermal

  1. M1T transdermal


    I know the methyl is for proetection via oral delivery.

    But still has anyone done M1T transdermal for experimentation's sake


  2. Other than LG with their methyl-4-AD product nobody has considered the idea of a transdermal 17-alkyl.

    Please use your head and do not put methyl 1-test powder into a transdermal.

    Chemo

  3. I fully agree. Plus the reason for the m-1-t is so you don't have to use a transdermal for the 1-test. TTY

    PS Way to risky........
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  4. Here's my thinking:

    M1T transdermal bypasses the liver right into the blood

    and the methyl group will protect it from the degradations of the body

  5. But the methyl group protects it from the liver. You would have far better absorbtion orally.

  6. Just because it is a dermal doesn't man that it won't effect your liver.

  7. sifu,

    yeah thats true

    but its better than goin through the hepatic portal vein right to your liver

  8. But at the dose you would have to run it at would it be worth it? I mean if you wanted to run it a 20mg a day you'd be rubbing on 60mg or so. You'd be better off pinning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ps24eva
    sifu,

    yeah thats true

    but its better than goin through the hepatic portal vein right to your liver

    Even if it does avoid first pass it must still be metabloized by the liver. If you dose 5mg, your liver must metabolize 5mg, regardless of how it was introduced to the body.

  10. yep that is right

  11. yeah but that will take a LONG while comparatively to the oral route

    and it wouldn't bombard the liver all at once

  12. You are trying to apply steady state theory to a compound that was never designed for transdermal delivery.

    Can it be dosed transdermally? Yes it can.

    Will it be effective as a transdermal? Yes it will.

    Will it be efficient as a transdermal in terms of amount of active material? No it won't.

    Will transdermal delivery make it easier on the liver? No it won't.

    The sum result is that it will take twice as much to do the same job transdermally. Why use a delivery method that is half as efficient (at best) and waste half your powder? Issues like this will become more relevant after the ban is in place and replacement powders are harder to come by.

    Chemo

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Chemo
    Will transdermal delivery make it easier on the liver? No it won't.

    Chemo

    this is where I am inclined to disagree and why I started the thread. I think it will be better on the liver if it bypasses the hepatic portal vein. That way you don't flood the hepatic sinusoids with M1T

  14. When the liver has to metabolize 10 mg of methyl 1-test it does not regard delivery method...it simply does not care where it came from since the task at hand is the same.

    Granted, if a methylated compound gets around first pass the liver must still contend with it through second, third, or fourth pass. The amount of liver stress is not diminished but rather DELAYED...it will still amount to the same magnitude of liver enzyme elevation regardless of delivery method.

    The only thing accomplished is wasting half the active material through the transdermal delivery.

    Chemo

  15. that delay would be good

    plus m1t is "cheap" anyway expecially the powder, so it doesn't matter if some is wasted

  16. The delay doesn't matter. The damage will still be the same.

  17. ok fine

    thanks to everyone for reading

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ps24eva
    that delay would be good

    plus m1t is "cheap" anyway expecially the powder, so it doesn't matter if some is wasted
    That statement is not very good form.

    The raw materials may be affordable and easy to acquire now but what about in a few months when the prohormone ban is implemented?

    As in the lifestyle we share, it is better to start with good form and end with good form.

    Chemo

  19. Not that anyone should use it transdermally, but is the molecular weight low enough with the 17aa to even be used this way?

  20. Actually, it's not much higher than 1-test base...it should be able to be dosed transdermally to the same success.

    Chemo

  21. Quote Originally Posted by ps24eva
    ok fine

    thanks to everyone for reading

    BTW
    I did NOT mean to sound sarcastic.

    I really do appreciate your feedback
  

  
 

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