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    Alright, SOMEONE help with with delt workouts. I'm so tired of having muscular forearms, decent sized bi's/tri's but I cannot for the life of me get my delts do increase in size. I want some "metroid" shoulders!!

    Whats your favorite workout for increasing delt size?

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    Push-Press or HS Press
    Unilateral Side Laterals
    Smith Wide Upright Rows
    Rear Delt work (Facepulls, rear flys, etc)
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    I'm not sure of your symmetry wrt your deltoid group (ant vs med, etc).

    But, I can almost bet that your front delts are somewhat proportional to the rest of your body due to its incorporation in most pressing lifts. It's the side delt that is usually the trouble spot for most.

    If this is the case, I would drop any and all shoulder presses. Your front delts should get plenty of work when bench pressing, dipping, etc. Concentrate on your side/rear delts and allow them to catch up.

    I have had similar troubles developing my side delts. I did raises till I was blue in the face... dbs, cable etc. I found that I was lifting the weight, but not properly stimulating the side delts.

    Try dropping the weight on your side laterals a bit. I dropped from 35 lbs to 20lbs. And dropped to 85! on upright rows.

    Three things to try...

    1.) don't come all the way down... your arms should stop anywhere from 45-30 deg from your sides. This keeps tension on the delts and doesn't give them a break (TUT).

    2.) Don't bring the weights up much past your shoulders, if any. Your traps will become the primary mover at this point. Again, this is to keep tension on the delts and make them kick some a$$.

    3.) Work with tempo. Try taking 2 seconds to raise the weight. PAUSE at the top for 3-4 seconds. Then take another 3-4 seconds lowering back down. This is the main reason for having to drop the weight. TUT is a b!tch.

    When your arms get back to the 30 degree mark, lift them DBs back up... no rest.

    The same goes for barbell upright rows. IMO, people chicken wing their arms way to far in the air, making a 'v' shape. We want to work the delts here, not the traps (unless you specifically want trap work, as well). Try similar things as mentioned above. Never stop, never come all the way down, slow and controlled, pausing at peak contraction.

    I started utilizing these ideas (which are primarily based on the Time Under Tension - TUT - principles) and all of my lagging parts started blowing up... as well as my more dominant muscle groups... everything got better.

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    try supersetting some shoulder exercises...and try some exercises that hit more of the medial head.
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    Seated dumbbell press, followed by lateral raises, followed by front delt raises, followed by push press, followed by behind the head military press, then some up right rows and power cleans. Throw in a little reverse pec deck to finish it all off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robdog View Post
    Seated dumbbell press, followed by lateral raises, followed by front delt raises, followed by push press, followed by behind the head military press, then some up right rows and power cleans. Throw in a little reverse pec deck to finish it all off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robdog View Post
    Seated dumbbell press, followed by lateral raises, followed by front delt raises, followed by push press, followed by behind the head military press, then some up right rows and power cleans. Throw in a little reverse pec deck to finish it all off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    The crazy part is that he's not joking either; that's his actual routine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    The crazy part is that he's not joking either; that's his actual routine.
    Really?? holy crap thats so much lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Really?? holy crap thats so much lol
    That's what I say, but nothing is written in stone when it comes to BBing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    That's what I say, but nothing is written in stone when it comes to BBing.
    haha if it works for him then more power too him
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    Giant Set: Arnold Press (high weight), Rear delt raises (lower weight), Lat Raises(lower weight), Front Raises(lower weight)

    Afterwards:
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    ShakesAllDay - Thanks for the info dude, really great comment!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Push-Press or HS Press
    Unilateral Side Laterals
    Smith Wide Upright Rows
    Rear Delt work (Facepulls, rear flys, etc)
    I will probably stick to these for awhile until I see some development. Thanks for the input!

    Quote Originally Posted by robdog View Post
    Seated dumbbell press, followed by lateral raises, followed by front delt raises, followed by push press, followed by behind the head military press, then some up right rows and power cleans. Throw in a little reverse pec deck to finish it all off.
    I may use this for suicide at a later time.
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    Those movements are great but try to increase your TUT (Time Under Tension) to 40-45 seconds per set if you haven't tried that already. Good luck getting those boulder delts bro
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    Behind the neck presses Dc style for 12-20 Rest pause reps. These are absolutely great for the middle and rear delts.
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    haha. yup its a great routine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Link24 View Post
    Behind the neck presses Dc style for 12-20 Rest pause reps. These are absolutely great for the middle and rear delts.
    Based on human physiology, how are overhead presses, whether it be behind the head, in front of the head, etc., stimulating the side deltoid MORE than the front deltoid? I'm not saying to ignore the front delts. But, I think that a lot of 'chest' exercises stimulate the front delts enough to warrant the removal of overhead presses from your routine... at least until the rest of your shoulder structure catches up.

    I think Iron Warrior and I are on the same page with the TUT. Make those side delts work. It hurts. It's an ego killer (like I said above, I had a DRASTIC drop in weight when using TUT principles). It's not about the amount of weight... it's about stimulation. Yeah, I can side lateral 45 lbs. DBs, but am I stimulating my side delts for maximum hypertrophy? Probably not.

    Seriously, I would drop overhead presses in favor of TUT-based side/rear delt work. I haven't done OH presses in over a month... and my shoulders symmetry is thanking me.
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    Im not disagreeing with you on tut principles Im just saying whats working for me. Behind the neck seated presses just seem to stimulate my shoulders more than other excercises. As i only do one shoulder excercise per workout. I do not feel them at all in my front delts nor do i work my front delts. I am with you that the front delts get enough work from pressing excercises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay View Post
    Yeah, I can side lateral 45 lbs. DBs, but am I stimulating my side delts for maximum hypertrophy? Probably not.
    Stimulate, don't annihilate The quality of the exercise can be more important than the exercise itself in many cases.
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    An emphasis on the eccentric portion of the lift should be also included, particularly on side laterals and wide upright rows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurleyboy05 View Post
    Alright, SOMEONE help with with delt workouts. I'm so tired of having muscular forearms, decent sized bi's/tri's but I cannot for the life of me get my delts do increase in size. I want some "metroid" shoulders!!

    Whats your favorite workout for increasing delt size?
    I hit up norwegian about this in his transformation thread... guy has HUGE delts... he told me its all about preexhaustion of the direct msucle then compound exercises.... Ive been doing it since and already notice a difference in my delts for sure.

    you should hit up that thread and look for what he said exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Seated Arnolds.
    this is my favorite exercise as well right after exhausting the delts with some front and side lateral raises....

    ROM is very important on these, I never drop my arms below 90 degrees to keep constant tension on the delts and bring it so my elbows touch infront of my nose then steady spread them apart as i rasie them above my head and back together at the peak. these are just awesome for all around delt developement.

    Id have to say though I have to do LOTS of rear delt work to compensate for weak rotator cuffs or else stuff like heavy arnolds and lateral raises can pull out my shoulder... plus I hear rear delt work will really make em look good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    An emphasis on the eccentric portion of the lift should be also included, particularly on side laterals and wide upright rows.
    to elaborate on this, Norwegian told me with lateral and front raises to make sure you turn your thumbs down and keep your pinky's higher almost like lifting the dumbell while holding it vertically not horizontally like your smashing the sky with a hammer fist, this focuses the lift on the rear and side of your delts, I can REALLY feel these lifts in the delts more when held this way, it also makes it much harder to cheat and use your bis or traps when lifted this way its a beauty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    to elaborate on this, Norwegian told me with lateral and front raises to make sure you turn your thumbs down and keep your pinky's higher almost like lifting the dumbell while holding it vertically not horizontally like your smashing the sky with a hammer fist, this focuses the lift on the rear and side of your delts, I can REALLY feel these lifts in the delts more when held this way, it also makes it much harder to cheat and use your bis or traps when lifted this way its a beauty.
    To further elaborate, during side laterals, your hands should be pronated throughout the entire lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    To further elaborate, during side laterals, your hands should be pronated throughout the entire lift.
    exactly what I was entailing with your pinky's above the thumb... almost pulling em up
  

  
 

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