my arms and everything else seems to form pretty good.. (cept my abs but ill get those eventually) but ya i have a pretty good chest size but not getting what i want maybe they just seem small to me i dont know but if they arent good enough for me its not good enough right? but anyways... i do incline DB...Flat DB and DEcline DB (occasionally) and then do extreme 20 reps of butterflyes but i cant seem to get the upperchest to get bigger and then my outerchest that leads to the back to get more toned up and bigger