Training after sleepless nights

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    My prescriptions for sleep are
    500-800mg Quetiapine
    25-50mg Promethazine

    My prescription for ADD is
    200mg Modafinil

    I usually eat my last meal 30-90 minutes before I go to bed. It pretty much always consists of some lean protein or vegan protein powder, + veggies. I don’t have any carbs within three hours of bedtime.

    For sleep, I take a compound supp with the label below and OL amnesia.
    400iu Vit D3
    800mg Calcium (calcium carbonate)
    400mg Magnesium (magnesium hydroxide)
    10mg Zinc (zinc sulphate)
    1mg Copper (copper sulphate)
    0.5mg Manganese (manganese sulphate)
    50ug Selenium (sodium selenite)
    0.6mg Boron (disodium tetraborate)
    These stacked with my prescriptions have been helping me get to sleep pretty reliably for the last six months (since I added amnesia) and this might be the first or second fully sleepless night I’ve had in like a year.
    Two days ago tho I ran out of amnesia and that’s when the trouble started. I’m not sure what the difference was between the first night and the second, on both nights I just did my routine. Only, yesterday I took 10g of D-ribose peri-workout as opposed to the usual 7.5g, and last night I remembered to take some theanine before bed.
    The bottles of amnesia I have on the way won’t get here before Friday unfortunately.

    For supps…
    I usually take all stimulants and the modafinil about 10-14 hours before I go to bed. Yesterday wasn’t any different.
    In the category of stims I’m taking
    OL r3ign
    PES shift
    Ginseng
    Maca

    Something I added to my stack a week or so ago that’d increase my metabolic rate is TTA. But before I ran out of amnesia I didn’t have any issues getting to sleep.

    Thanks for the info.
    Melatonin is something I’ve considered getting as it resensitises leidig cells and my schedule means I could probably do with some supplementation. I’ll give 15g a night a try and see what happens. The one issue is that melatonin’s not available OTC in the U.K. so I’ll need to get some shipped over which may take at least a week.
    GABA sounds interesting but I’d need to get that shipped over too. I’ll look into it.
    I’ll run these by my doctor

    Given the ZMA&more supp I’m taking so you think I should look into the other three things on your list?
    I’m currently getting some additional glycine pre and post workout each day from TMG
    Modafinil is often used to KEEP people awake, you know this right? I am not giving medical advice - but if you are having sleep issues, have you looked into that?? You should discuss it with your doctor.

    You should also look at some of the supps you are using alongside modafinil. You may just need to drop them - too many stims can really fugg up your sleep.

    I do find it a little funny you are using using Re1gn AND Amnesia. It does speak a little to the fact that you are using too many supplements. You have to use supplements to counter the supplements you are taking....

    Have you tried moving your meal back further from your sleep? Some carbs near sleep might help improve your sleep patterns.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    I think training when you feel you have not got adequate sleep needs to be modified. In other words have a maintenance day...otherwise its determental...and leads to issues like insomnia.
    Ď...leads to issues like insomnia.í
    Could you elaborate please?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    Modafinil is often used to KEEP people awake, you know this right? I am not giving medical advice - but if you are having sleep issues, have you looked into that?? You should discuss it with your doctor.

    You should also look at some of the supps you are using alongside modafinil. You may just need to drop them - too many stims can really fugg up your sleep.

    I do find it a little funny you are using using Re1gn AND Amnesia. It does speak a little to the fact that you are using too many supplements. You have to use supplements to counter the supplements you are taking....

    Have you tried moving your meal back further from your sleep? Some carbs near sleep might help improve your sleep patterns.
    I know modafinil is used for that by some people but I only started being prescribed that last year when I got my ADD diagnosis whereas the sleep problems started four years ago. I didn’t even take pres back then

    As I said, earlier this week was the first time I went a whole night without any sleep in over a year during which time ive been on the same stims regimen and routine.
    I ended up going two nights in a row without sleep, some 64 hours, and on the second day I didn't take any stims (no modafinil either), ate at maintenance and still couldn't sleep

    I've previously tried going days without any stims but even on those days I can't sleep naturally.
    I'm certain my insomnia's due to other things

  4. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I used to be on Ambien too. Itís known that Ambien stops working after a while and some people become dependent on it. Tbh Iím surprised that doctors still prescribe it to people with long-term sleeping issues.
    I wouldnít be surprised if Ambienís manufacturorís had a hand in that
    Nobody is getting rich off of pushing Ambien. It's just a quick way to get patients out of the office for docs that aren't specialists.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    Nobody is getting rich off of pushing Ambien. It's just a quick way to get patients out of the office for docs that aren't specialists.
    And it's a cheap way to keep you coming into the Dr office to get your script filled and to bill your insurance for the 5min visit
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post
    And it's a cheap way to keep you coming into the Dr office to get your script filled and to bill your insurance for the 5min visit
    I am pretty cynical when it comes to the medical profession. But my feeling is that the doctors often have their hands tied due to litigation and much of the practice of medicine is based around protocol. On one hand, having best practices is good in any businesses and in medicine this can actually save lives. But sometimes doctor's would really have to put their neck on the line to go outside of the box and do something that is outside of that protocol.

    Add to that insurance issues and it is amazing what dr's must face on some level.

    Part of the reason for this, IMO, is that medicine has never been allowed to be entirely capitalistic. This brings a lot of bad things to the industry. Instead of capitalism, we are driven by insurance (which is a form of gambling).

    I would hesitate to view doctors, systemically, as sales people. I would hesitate even more to view them as sales people as individuals.

    Most doctors have plenty of patients. So much so that you cannot even get in to see one for months in a lot of cases. I doubt they are trying to drum up business a bottle of ambien at a time. Not saying none of them do, but I would think the majority just want to get people off their plate.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I know modafinil is used for that by some people but I only started being prescribed that last year when I got my ADD diagnosis whereas the sleep problems started four years ago. I didn’t even take pres back then

    As I said, earlier this week was the first time I went a whole night without any sleep in over a year during which time ive been on the same stims regimen and routine.
    I ended up going two nights in a row without sleep, some 64 hours, and on the second day I didn't take any stims (no modafinil either), ate at maintenance and still couldn't sleep

    I've previously tried going days without any stims but even on those days I can't sleep naturally.
    I'm certain my insomnia's due to other things
    So, basically what I see from this is, you had sleep issues and had it under control. You started taking a bunch of supplements, including stimulants, and were able to keep it under control with an additional sleep supplement. You were A-OK for a full year until you ran out of one of the sleep supplements, then you suddenly had 2 nights of insomnia.

    I am not saying you don't have a real sleep issue. What I am saying is that all these unnecessary supplements are not making it any easier and when you take unnecessary supplements, you need to take MORE unnecessary supplements to counter the effects.

    You are already having issues. Adding stims didn't help even if you thought it was OK because the sleep supplements gave a band aid and hid the effects.
    "I've never seen anyone change his mind because of the power of a superior argument or the acquisition of new facts. But I've seen plenty of people change behavior to avoid being mocked." -Scott Adams

  8. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    So, basically what I see from this is, you had sleep issues and had it under control. You started taking a bunch of supplements, including stimulants, and were able to keep it under control with an additional sleep supplement. You were A-OK for a full year until you ran out of one of the sleep supplements, then you suddenly had 2 nights of insomnia.

    I am not saying you don't have a real sleep issue. What I am saying is that all these unnecessary supplements are not making it any easier and when you take unnecessary supplements, you need to take MORE unnecessary supplements to counter the effects.

    You are already having issues. Adding stims didn't help even if you thought it was OK because the sleep supplements gave a band aid and hid the effects.
    R3ign came out before amnesia and so even before I started taking amnesia I was able to sleep just fine for a few months on my prescriptions alone with my current stims regimen.
    I started taking amnesia to improve the quality of my sleep, not to help me sleep.
    Given my line of work, the benefits (albeit rather hard to quantify) from paying an additional $30 a month for better sleep can easily outweigh the cost

    I get what you’re getting at but if I need to take my prescriptions anyway and I benefit from taking a pre I might as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    So, basically what I see from this is, you had sleep issues and had it under control. You started taking a bunch of supplements, including stimulants, and were able to keep it under control with an additional sleep supplement. You were A-OK for a full year until you ran out of one of the sleep supplements, then you suddenly had 2 nights of insomnia.

    I am not saying you don't have a real sleep issue. What I am saying is that all these unnecessary supplements are not making it any easier and when you take unnecessary supplements, you need to take MORE unnecessary supplements to counter the effects.

    You are already having issues. Adding stims didn't help even if you thought it was OK because the sleep supplements gave a band aid and hid the effects.


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  10. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post


    evident from his post history on supplements.
    Just keep taking more pills and powder bro.. Solves all life problems..
    For a change, try actually reading what I say before you chat **** about me and this time, don’t just ignore the bits you don’t want to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    R3ign came out before amnesia and so even before I started taking amnesia I was able to sleep just fine for a few months on my prescriptions alone with my current stims regimen.
    I started taking amnesia to improve the quality of my sleep, not to help me sleep.
    Given my line of work, the benefits (albeit rather hard to quantify) from paying an additional $30 a month for better sleep can easily outweigh the cost

    I get what you’re getting at but if I need to take my prescriptions anyway and I benefit from taking a pre I might as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    For a change, try actually reading what I say before you chat **** about me and this time, don’t just ignore the bits you don’t want to read.
    Your question has been answered in countless threads you make on supplements. I will re quote it for you here. You are reinventing the wheel as there is a law of diminishing returns.

    Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    It does speak a little to the fact that you are using too many supplements. You have to use supplements to counter the supplements you are taking....
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    ‘...leads to issues like insomnia.’
    Could you elaborate please?
    Stress-related insomnia I'd imagine which isn't the universal cause of insomnia.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I know modafinil is used for that by some people but I only started being prescribed that last year when I got my ADD diagnosis whereas the sleep problems started four years ago. I didn’t even take pres back then

    As I said, earlier this week was the first time I went a whole night without any sleep in over a year during which time ive been on the same stims regimen and routine.
    I ended up going two nights in a row without sleep, some 64 hours, and on the second day I didn't take any stims (no modafinil either), ate at maintenance and still couldn't sleep

    I've previously tried going days without any stims but even on those days I can't sleep naturally.
    I'm certain my insomnia's due to other things
    Perhaps if you truly found out why you had insomnia, you wouldn’t need ADD meds, or the pres, or the sleep supps/drugs.
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