Topic of the week: Is Overtraining BS?

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  1. Topic of the week: Is Overtraining BS?


    Overtraining is real for us older lifters (55 next month). The body simply cannot regenerate tissue as fast. This is the reason I've moved to One Lift A Day routines.
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  2. You can't point to someone's training and say that it is an example of over training or working through it because everyone has different capabilities. I know where you were going just as an example, but for the sake of those that think it happens more than it does, just FYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    You can't point to someone's training and say that it is an example of over training or working through it because everyone has different capabilities. I know where you were going just as an example, but for the sake of those that think it happens more than it does, just FYI.
    Perhaps my choice of wording with "battling through it" was poor.

    The point I was trying to make is what you hit on as well -- it's an individual thing, but generally speaking, the average person isn't going to run into that wall. The body is capable of being pushed to pretty extreme limits (and that last part is why I highlighted those guys' training styles).

  4. Gotcha, and I completely agree.
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  5. I think its beneficial to overtrain at some point. I have absolutely overtrained my cns, and it has shown me my breaking point. To get to that point i had to do an excessive amount of compounds and hiit and it still took about four to five weeks to reach that point. It has enabled me to understand my limits and push past them accordingly. I am much more aware of my body, and in this sport knowing YOUR body is everything. I am currently over reaching, but have increased my cals and rest time accordingly. I will not overtrain.

    I honestly believe people dont realize how strong they truely are. I always remember this qoute; "if it doesnt challenge you, it wont change you"

  6. I've experienced overtraining, but it was while I was fighting and that's a whole different animal. Overreaching is something that everyone should be doing in their training, but most don't know what it is or how to implement it.

    Another thing is that overtraining and excessive use injuries are often confused as well. Inflammation or a strain of a muscle from excessive training does not indicate overtraining. It's merely using something too often beyond its normal capacity with inadequate rest and not a systemic issue like overtraining.
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  7. I thought it was bs and trained 7 days a week for a year. Loved the results but eventually I hit a plateau I decided to take rest days. Started growing again and breaking PRs. So I think it's good to not believe in it initially and listen to your body

  8. Overtraining is definitely real, but not many people succumb to it now adays, especially in a period where autoregulation is in most new programs such as reactive training system. And if you ever feel your CNS getting fried just pop a few nerve restore and lift

  9. Overtraining is possible if someone's not working within their means. IE - training too much without enough rest, food, flexibility work. But if all those are adequate I find it difficult to overtrain.

  10. Of course over-training exists. Anyone who claims to doubt that is fooling themselves. I mean - nobody on here does 200 sets/workout and works out all day, for days on end. They'd kill themselves. I don't care how much you eat. haha.

    The most popular routines - whatever you choose - all account for modulation of intensity, volume and frequency. Everyone has a threshold, some have a higher threshold than others, and most people who claim over-training is an excuse are actually working less hard than the people who have been through it. If you go high intesity, all the time, every day, for weeks, you will fall. I think intensity, as Jiggz said, is the biggest contributing factor to overtraining. On the same hand, no one gets huge running marathons - but that is training for a different reason.

  11. Of course overtraining is real. The "no such thing as overtraining" really came from people/gurus trying to motivate the lazy to push themselves and stop being little pv$$ies. You tell a certain type of person (the highly driven kind) overtraining doesn't exist and watch what happens to them.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by plifter42 View Post
    Haha, this is true. But after years of training I know what works for me and I have my training dialed in to a point where I've been making steady gains every year.

    I might have experienced "overtraining" before... Squatting 225 raw, ass to grass for 22 reps and puking all over the squat rack on the last set... Varsity wrestling practice until sundown in a small room with the goal of dehydrating ourselves... Two-a-days during football going through practices with multiple concussions...

    I've experimented with overtraining... Wasn't for me.
    I as well wrestled and played varsity football and the training for both sports is very different. It was a lot easier to be worn out and just tired from wrestling, from limiting calorie intake and drill practice while also trying to drop water weight and all while trying to stay focused. But I wouldn't call it overtraining. My weight training coach for football was much better at helping to reach goals. Even though he would basically have us eating as much as possible and then train before we went and practiced. With two a days it wasn't really overtraining it was more of just being exhausted from practice then lifting and practicing again. I really think people just use "overtraining" as an excuse. Not saying it doesn't exist. But I think people who overtrain go months at a time doing two hour bicep workouts a couple of times a week and don't know why they aren't getting bigger.
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  13. Depends in the actual definition of over training. If you improperly stimulate muscle growth to the point you are running circles in the gym, that is over training to me. Adrenal fatigue can be over training. Improper nutrition can lead to over training. It just depends in my opinion. Ole Ronnie Coleman hit his muscles twice a week and was on of the best, bet he did methodically, along with proper nutrition.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Ole Ronnie Coleman hit his muscles twice a week and was on of the best, bet he did methodically, along with proper "nutrition".
    I corrected it - you forgot the " around nutrition. No big.

    Beyond that, your post was great!

  15. Thanks, sorry about the grammatical errors. iPhone has a mind of its own sometimes.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Thanks, sorry about the grammatical errors. iPhone has a mind of its own sometimes.
    LMAO - no worries man, I was just busting your chops and pointing out that comparing the typical person with Ronnie Coleman ....Coleman had a lot more than nutrition on his side....lots of drugs too I would suggest. I was just giving you a hard time. I am far from the grammar police. Say it however you have to...haha

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  19. I see admin has a knack for asking good questions.

    I think overtraining is mostly myth in bodybuilding until you get to competition-level seriousness. I don't necessarily think bodybuilding is the best example of athletes overtraining, but rather combat sports like MMA and boxing.

    Floyd Mayweather is famous for what would widely be regarded as an overtraining regimen.

    Junior Dos Santos in MMA started monitoring various blood markers after heavy training sessions after he nearly developed rhabdomyolysis which is the worst-case scenario as a medical outcome.

  20. I think it exists, but it's not the same as being sore or getting injured. In most 'overtraining" cases, I'd blame the implementation of training (form, etc.) and recovery (12 hour shifts at work, inadequate nutrition, drinking, etc.).

    If EVERYTHING else is in check, and you've been overreaching for a while, you could end up overtraining, but you wouldn't be just sore, it's a lot more intense and is more like depression or being sick, lack of will to get out of bed, etc.
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  21. If you are on steroids you have no right to be chatting about over training. Over training is beyond real and I've done it. Not fun. That's what I get for following bodybuilding magazine programs when I first started as a natural. Worst feeling in the world

  22. I believe i experimented overtraining once in my life, and all i can say is overtraining is no joke. I was in a cutting with extreme caloric deficit, lifting every day, doing HIIT sprints 3 times a week, but the causes were beyond only traning: i was wrighting my PhD thesis, sleeping few hours and studying too much, and at same time my grandmother passed.

    So, in this very hard context, i start to experiment very high blood pressure, insomnia, depression, extreme lethargy, and some ocasional injuries, and stayed cutting; in a night i went to hospital, i was having bizarre heartbeats, bizarre dizziness. My clinical exams were normal, enzymes normal, only a bit low testosterone, but very high cortisol. I went to a cadiologist that recommended me to stop everything, stop workouts, stop my thesis and give myself a total vacation. I did it, and after 1 month i restarted lifting, and after 2 months restarted my wrighting routine, but i definitively slowed down.

    So, i believe overtraining exists, its really hard, but its not only related to overtrain, but to undersleep, undereat and overwork too - in other words: is the conjuction of factors from your overall routine that will lead you to an overtraining state.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by JeremyNG25 View Post
    If you are on steroids you have no right to be chatting about over training. Over training is beyond real and I've done it. Not fun. That's what I get for following bodybuilding magazine programs when I first started as a natural. Worst feeling in the world
    I 100% disagree with this. Steroids have absolutely nothing to do with CNS. Can you push more weight for more reps while on as well as partition nutrients better? Absolutely.

    But the one thing that steroids CANNOT fix is true CNS failure. You can take as many compounds as you want but at some point all that weight and strain on your mental capacity can absolutely overburden what is physically possible.

    Overtraining can be done by anyone, and I would venture to guess that many people on steroids actually have a BETTER chance of experiencing it since they are far more willing to go to extremes (diet, training, intensity, etc) than someone who is not.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by a.mocellim View Post
    I believe i experimented overtraining once in my life, and all i can say is overtraining is no joke. I was in a cutting with extreme caloric deficit, lifting every day, doing HIIT sprints 3 times a week, but the causes were beyond only traning: i was wrighting my PhD thesis, sleeping few hours and studying too much, and at same time my grandmother passed.

    So, in this very hard context, i start to experiment very high blood pressure, insomnia, depression, extreme lethargy, and some ocasional injuries, and stayed cutting; in a night i went to hospital, i was having bizarre heartbeats, bizarre dizziness. My clinical exams were normal, enzymes normal, only a bit low testosterone, but very high cortisol. I went to a cadiologist that recommended me to stop everything, stop workouts, stop my thesis and give myself a total vacation. I did it, and after 1 month i restarted lifting, and after 2 months restarted my wrighting routine, but i definitively slowed down.

    So, i believe overtraining exists, its really hard, but its not only related to overtrain, but to undersleep, undereat and overwork too - in other words: is the conjuction of factors from your overall routine that will lead you to an overtraining state.
    Yup 100% agreed. Getting there by failing to recover is EASY. Getting there by actually training too much/hard? Doubt many bodybuilders are at risk for it.
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  26. Overtraining my arms made them blow up on me

  27. I believe its real. As far as strength training goes, when i train in the 1-5 rep range pushing myself too the max every workout, i'll eventually get too a point where i'll step under the bar (keep in mind i've been bulking for as long as i can remember) and the weight will just be too much. I'll go down and wont be able too lift once what i just lifed 5x5 the week before, its not "pushing myself" its just that im physically and mentally burntout. Nothing gets me back going but some nice rest.

  28. no such thing

    only thing would be CNS fatigue from doing heavy singles or 3s of squats and deads
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