- 06-17-2014, 02:39 PM
- 06-18-2014, 09:14 PM
- 06-18-2014, 09:22 PM
I personally don't work abs.
No need if your hitting your compound lifts.
Unless you wanna shed stubborn fat, then maybe I'd go high reps.
Pointless to me, my abs have always been hard or popping out and I haven't worked them since high school.
06-18-2014, 09:40 PM
I do abs once per week like any other muscle & focus more on sets than reps...I am a firm believer in volume training & intensity over the number of reps or weight. However, abs are really made in the kitchen...I go by feel. Some days the reps are higher (15-20) and other days they are lower (10-12)...again just like any other muscle.
06-18-2014, 10:27 PM
I don't think it makes a difference when working abs. It's debatable thought. I do a combination of both, twice a week.
06-18-2014, 10:36 PM
There is never a case of everything within the core firing at 100% concurrently since no person has perfect posture throughout the day and everyone has some sort of imbalance. Doing abs for an aesthetic purpose is debatable, but there is zero debate about the importance of training them from either a performance or health perspective.
That being said, I train core twice per week in the 10-15 rep range for 3-4 sets. I vary my focus beyond trunk flexion and include lateral flexion (e.g. side bends), anti-extension (e.g. ab wheel), and rotational/anti-rotational work.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-18-2014, 10:43 PM
I personally don't need to waste time with them.
The day after doing pull ups my abs are more sore than ever doing crunches etc
Idk maybe I'm trying to hard doing pull-ups and working my core, ahh shucks.
My abs have always popped w/o the tedious chore of working them. This is my opinion an works fine for me.
I also never work arms. Pull-ups and dips do just fine along with every other press and pull move you stated.
Unless your directly looking for your abs to show or competing, I don't see the need to work them.
You work your core plenty doing compound lifts.
06-18-2014, 10:46 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-18-2014, 10:48 PM
How would I be unbalanced from not doing "side bends" wtf
Deadlifts, Squats, Standing Military Presses, PullUps, Etc Enough for me.
Sorry to jack your thread bro, was just stating my opinion as you asked.
06-18-2014, 10:53 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-18-2014, 10:57 PM
Maybe from your stats or being a power lifter it plays a role.
Or if he wants to be an underwear model.
I lift because I like to lift, my abs get worked enough for my liking with other lifts. I've had a visible 6 pack many times and never worked abs. I just don't like wasting my gym time on them.
If you like working them bro, work them.
You can follow some advice given.
06-18-2014, 11:03 PM
06-18-2014, 11:07 PM
06-18-2014, 11:08 PM
Heavy compounds do work your abs no doubt. BUT extra core work is something that can make quite a bit if difference in training and stability.
It's kinda like saying if you do chest you don't NEED to isolate triceps......but if you isolate triceps they develop better.
Whatever works. I personally train abs heavy but in a high rep range. Two exercises three times a week. One targeting lower abs more and one targeting upper abs more.
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06-18-2014, 11:10 PM
06-18-2014, 11:16 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-18-2014, 11:20 PM
I think there is no wrong answer here.
We all agree the core plays a role in overall health and fitness, we just choose the amount of work we put into that aspect of our training.
06-18-2014, 11:27 PM
06-18-2014, 11:32 PM
06-18-2014, 11:34 PM
06-18-2014, 11:38 PM
06-18-2014, 11:43 PM
OP, if you search for the user "ZiR RED" you'll probably be able to find some abdominal exercises he's suggested before
06-18-2014, 11:55 PM
The most comprehensive core article I've read from one of the best minds in the industry.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-19-2014, 07:51 AM
Well thanks for all the feedback. I didnt mean to start a war on here lol. If one person is able to obtain the core and abs that he desires without directly hitting ab workouts, all the power to him.
I was just looking for some input on other peoples techniques. Thanks!
06-19-2014, 12:18 PM
06-19-2014, 12:21 PM
06-22-2014, 03:50 AM
06-22-2014, 08:59 PM
06-22-2014, 09:23 PM
OP - for what it's worth...heres my $0.02. I hit core 2-3 times per week. On my max effort lower day I'll do a high rep core circuit consisting of 3 exercises for 20 reps each that hit all planes of movement. On my dynamic effort lower day I'll do 4 sets for 10-15 reps of weighted abs. The 3rd time is usually just a BS extra work core session I'll do before hiit or something. The 3rd isn't serious. I follow Joe DeFrancos westside for skinny bastards plan right now. I think we all agreed earlier that the main compound lifts will help build up abs but focused work is useful. When I say hit all planes of movement I mean that I'll do something like reverse crunches or hanging leg raises, barbell russian twists/standing barbell twists/whatever you want to call them, and db side bends or timed suitcase carries. Something along those lines
06-22-2014, 09:28 PM
06-22-2014, 09:35 PM
OP (no not you peppers, don't get your panties in a bunch again) - how much your core will be activated during compound movements is also dependent on if you use a belt or not
06-22-2014, 09:39 PM
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