Bench press form looks tottally off

[DerickVonD]

If I try to lower the weight any lower I get shoulder pain. To me, it feels like I'm tucking the elbows. HPIM2507_zps301708b8.mp4 Video by BrainStorm_wow | Photobucket HPIM2510_zps733a140f.mp4 Video by BrainStorm_wow | Photobucket Bench is at an incline in both videos.

 

[Mystere3]

If you're not powerlifting, you can flare your elbows a bit more. That's about a 1/3 rep fwiw.

 

[DerickVonD]

Closer grip
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/CloserGrip_zps0d2e1a84.mp4.html
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/CloserGrip2_zps606f0453.mp4.html

 

[Mystere3]

Suggest you check out these tutorials:

http://youtu.be/EHx1gYTA-Rw

 

[JD261985]

If you're having pain from lowering the weight you should either lower the amount of weight you're using and work on form or just stick with standard push-ups for now. Regardless you need to be doing full range of motion. Partials have their place but you shouldn't be doing those all the time

 

[DerickVonD]

Even closer grip. This is the most comfortable and I am able to go down the most with this grip.
close02_zpsb9ed8e37.mp4 Video by BrainStorm_wow | Photobucket
close_zps6d6272fb.mp4 Video by BrainStorm_wow | Photobucket

 

[PaulBlack]

If I try to lower the weight any lower I get shoulder pain.

Where exactly is it?
Does OH pressing bother them at all?

A few things...
You are on a slight incline there, so it might vary depending on being flat or inclined!?
BP's are hard on some trainees shoulders. The very small cuff muscles (especially for "external rotation") may need a little attention and if you google it, they are a few external rotation exercises, followed by some stretching. Google also "The 7 Minute Rotator Cuff Solution/Horrigan" for some insight.

Your larger movers, ie: pecs, delts and triceps may be a bit stronger than the small cuff muscles, so you may need to strengthen those smaller stabilizers first or at least with less overall weight on your BP's some.

 

[hulkish1]

Those reps are as stated before 1/4 reps at best try making the grip a bit closer slowly lower the weight down til it just brushes your nipple area and power the weight back up keeping tension on the pec the whole time.

the wider the grip the more pressure is applied to the deltoids which can be the source of your pain if you have an ac joint or rotator issue.

pblack hit the nail on the head 7minute rotator cuff is an awesome pdf that will help with shoulder related issues

 

[DerickVonD]

Those reps are as stated before 1/4 reps at best try making the grip a bit closer slowly lower the weight down til it just brushes your nipple area and power the weight back up keeping tension on the pec the whole time.

the wider the grip the more pressure is applied to the deltoids which can be the source of your pain if you have an ac joint or rotator issue.

pblack hit the nail on the head 7minute rotator cuff is an awesome pdf that will help with shoulder related issues

Watch the last videos I posted. I went way closer and the pain went away, still not touching my chest, but my arms are atleast parallel to the floor now. Also the reason for the slight incline is because, it is easier for me to have my shoulder blades back on an incline than on the flat bench press. No issues with overhead press, except I can only lower and press the bar from below chin level, not my clavicle.

 

[jimbuick]

If you're not powerlifting, you can flare your elbows a bit more. That's about a 1/3 rep fwiw.

I wouldn't, if you care about your rotator cuff anyway.


Depending on the amount of flare, obviously.

 

[hulkish1]

still the form is a bit off you need to try to focus on full range of motion. the depth was better but needs more practice. check out the rotator solutions and then practice makes perfect. lower weight to just the bar and practice the grip and form till your comfortable and start back at adding weight.

 

[herderdude]

Bend the bar as hard as you can on the descent. That will load up the upper back muscles and external rotators and take pressure off of the delicate parts of the shoulder.

Look up some of Donnie Thompson's or Eric Cressey's shoulder solutions, and work that rotator cuff work suggested earlier.

Perhaps work with boards strapped to your chest so you have an aiming point for depth while still limiting ROM.

Keep in mind that pressing consistently with a barbell will require a TON of maintenance on the shoulder joint.

 

[Montego1]

The fact that your not engaging your chest AT ALL and supporting all of the weight on your shoulder joints for the duration of the lift probably has a shyt ton to do with the shoulder pain.

Try to wrap your lats around the bench. This will disengage the shoulder to a great degree. The video with the closer grip takes pressure away from the shoulder because the triceps are handing the load instead of the shoulders and chest.

Sit up straight. Pull your lats back together. Hold the position and lay back. Re adjust your lats to the pulled back position. Widen grip to shoulder width. Unrack the weight using your lats not your shoulders or triceps. Lower the bar ALL THE WAY DOWN to your nipples and press up. Do not press the weight towards your head. Repeat a million times.

 

[Rodja]

The fact that your not engaging your chest AT ALL and supporting all of the weight on your shoulder joints for the duration of the lift probably has a shyt ton to do with the shoulder pain. Try to wrap your lats around the bench. This will disengage the shoulder to a great degree. The video with the closer grip takes pressure away from the shoulder because the triceps are handing the load instead of the shoulders and chest. Sit up straight. Pull your lats back together. Hold the position and lay back. Re adjust your lats to the pulled back position. Widen grip to shoulder width. Unrack the weight using your lats not your shoulders or triceps. Lower the bar ALL THE WAY DOWN to your nipples and press up. Do not press the weight towards your head. Repeat a million times.

All this except for the press towards your head. IMO, press towards your head slightly, but push yourself into the bench and not push the bar away from you.

 

[DerickVonD]

The fact that your not engaging your chest AT ALL and supporting all of the weight on your shoulder joints for the duration of the lift probably has a shyt ton to do with the shoulder pain.

Try to wrap your lats around the bench. This will disengage the shoulder to a great degree. The video with the closer grip takes pressure away from the shoulder because the triceps are handing the load instead of the shoulders and chest.

Sit up straight. Pull your lats back together. Hold the position and lay back. Re adjust your lats to the pulled back position. Widen grip to shoulder width. Unrack the weight using your lats not your shoulders or triceps. Lower the bar ALL THE WAY DOWN to your nipples and press up. Do not press the weight towards your head. Repeat a million times.

I try and pull the lats together, I have my shoulder blades together. How do I unrack the weight using my lats?

 

[Montego1]

I try and pull the lats together, I have my shoulder blades together. How do I unrack the weight using my lats?

Very similar to a straight arm push down. Everything should be solid so when you press upward to unrack the weight your lats will move it from above your head to above your chest.

Don't think about pinning your shoulders back that won't work. Imagine trying to hug someone with your back....If you can invision that. It's not your shoulders being pulled together by using the shoulders. You shorten the deltoid when you pull your back together around the rib cage. Not around your collar bones.

 

[DerickVonD]

Very similar to a straight arm push down. Everything should be solid so when you press upward to unrack the weight your lats will move it from above your head to above your chest.

Don't think about pinning your shoulders back that won't work. Imagine trying to hug someone with your back....If you can invision that. It's not your shoulders being pulled together by using the shoulders. You shorten the deltoid when you pull your back together around the rib cage. Not around your collar bones.

Are you a taller lifter? I have really long forearms for my frame, which I read can be troublesome on the bench press.

 

[Montego1]

Are you a taller lifter? I have really long forearms for my frame, which I read can be troublesome on the bench press.

I'm six one. Short legs long arms. That doesn't really matter in this case though. Do what I explained and shoulder pain will get better.

 

[hulkish1]

another thing to remember form is more important then weight perfect form

 

[DerickVonD]

I'm six one. Short legs long arms. That doesn't really matter in this case though. Do what I explained and shoulder pain will get better.

Alright, I'll practice. I'll need to find more videos though, I think I know what you mean though. Even when I learn I'm curious how much less does a close grip bench target the chest? I was thinking of trying close grip for awhile, while I learn to bench better with a wider grip. So that I'll learn with a close grip first and maybe do some dumbbell work in the mean time.

 

[hulkish1]

close grip focus is inner chest and tricep mainly and shoulder width is pectoral major and deltoids and wider then shoulder puts an emphasis on deltoids and pectoral minor

correct me if im wrong?

 

[Rodja]

close grip focus is inner chest and tricep mainly and shoulder width is pectoral major and deltoids and wider then shoulder puts an emphasis on deltoids and pectoral minor

correct me if im wrong?

There isn't an inner chest and all grips work the pec major. Elbow positioning will determine deltoid positioning as much as grip width.

 

[Montego1]

There isn't an inner chest and all grips work the pec major. Elbow positioning will determine deltoid positioning as much as grip width.

This. The inside of the pec grows with overall chest growth. Some exercises can force more blood into the area though. Hex press and cable crossovers can do the trick there.

 

[DerickVonD]

So, does that mean, I'm fine just keeping the grip close?

 

[Mystere3]

I wouldn't, if you care about your rotator cuff anyway.

Depending on the amount of flare, obviously.

I have a slight flare; it's generally the natural way you would bring your arms down (not focusing on keeping elbows in) and have no rotator cuff pain at all with very high weight for very high reps.

OP,

Using a closer grip will involve your triceps more depending how close you are. You should really bring the bar all the way to your chest for optimum rom. You should still have tension on your chest at that level of depth.

 

[Montego1]

close grip focus is inner chest and tricep mainly and shoulder width is pectoral major and deltoids and wider then shoulder puts an emphasis on deltoids and pectoral minor

correct me if im wrong?

Welcome btw!

 

[DerickVonD]

How does this look?
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/NewBenchFront_zpsbb7f4590.mp4.html
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/NewBenchSide_zpse91542d8.mp4.html

 

[Rodja]

It doesn't matter what it looks like with just the bar. There's not enough counterweight to set up properly and keep tension in the scapula.

That being said, you need to move the bar up on the rack. You have it way too low and whatever tension you have is lost.

 

[DerickVonD]

http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/l01_zps60da664e.mp4.html
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/l02_zps4c25e6e0.mp4.html
Can't get any closer no matter what I do.

 

[DerickVonD]

Side view with close grip(most comfortable grip)
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/l_s_zps581e30fc.mp4.html
Looks like I'm going down to 90 degrees.

 

[Rodja]

You have no scapula tightness.

 

[DerickVonD]

You have no scapula tightness.

How do I fix that? I have my shoulder blades back as best I can.

 

[Rodja]

How do I fix that? I have my shoulder blades back as best I can.

You lift the bar out of the rack instead of pulling it out. You also go too low with your bar path.

 

[DerickVonD]

You lift the bar out of the rack instead of pulling it out. You also go too low with your bar path.

Any guides or video I can look at? I mean I keep looking at videos, but I cant seem to get the form down.

 

[Rodja]

Any guides or video I can look at? I mean I keep looking at videos, but I cant seem to get the form down.

You've been given all the advice you'll need, but you're not implementing it into the lifts.

 

[DerickVonD]

From the looks of it, it seems like I am trying to bench with a more powerlifter style.

 

[Rodja]

From the looks of it, it seems like I am trying to bench with a more powerlifter style.

There isn't a PL style incline.

 

[reps4jesus]

From the looks of it, it seems like I am trying to bench with a more powerlifter style.

No you're not. Like said above you need to implement the changes these very experienced guys are giving you.

ditch the incline and learn how to flat bench press.

 

[DerickVonD]

Latest video. Same closeness as with empty bar now.
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/lowerwithweight_zps8a638bff.mp4.html

 

[DerickVonD]

No you're not. Like said above you need to implement the changes these very experienced guys are giving you.

ditch the incline and learn how to flat bench press.

I'll give flat a try. Last time I tried it was the same issue though.

 

[DerickVonD]

I tried flat bench and here is how it looks. flat02_zps151b331e.mp4 Video by BrainStorm_wow | Photobucket

 

[Sean1332]

No.

YouTube "So you think you can bench"

Why do you have the safety bars set so high?

 

[DerickVonD]

No.

YouTube "So you think you can bench"

Why do you have the safety bars set so high?

I watched that today. I didn't know where to set them, first time setting the rack up for flat bench.

 

[Sean1332]

I watched that today. I didn't know where to set them, first time setting the rack up for flat bench.

So in the video he brought the bar to his chest right? Drop those safety's way down.

 

[DerickVonD]

Wider grip, not touching but closer.
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/flat03_zps72ea9c97.mp4.html

 

[DerickVonD]

Widest grip. http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/flat_wide_zps31598fdb.mp4.html
Wrist pain after set.

 

[DerickVonD]

Alittle heavier weight. Slight pain in left wrist still
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/BrainStorm_wow/media/hpim2570_zps415a1b8d.mp4.html

 

[Mystere3]

Use less weight and do a full rep.

 

[Wrivest]

Your wisest grip was too wide...don't do that again! Your heavy set was also too heavy, it was obvious you were not comfortable with the weight. Lower that and get comfortable under the bar. Also lower your rack pins 1

 

[HIT4ME]

I know you don't want to admit this, because you probably feel like you are weak or have something that you are fighting with your ego - but the people saying you should drop the weight are 100% correct. Start with the empty bar and get full reps. And don't just drop the weight, do a full rep and then say, "now let's see if I can do it with 10's on there?" - Just focus on the form. Your body has to learn the movement just like it needs to learn how to shoot a basketball. Practice the movement, not the weight.

You may need to do 1,000 reps before this movement becomes second nature. Do an empty bar - do 5 sets of 20 or 4 sets of 25 with PERFECT form. Then, the next week go to 55 and repeat. Then the next workout, add another 5 pounds. Do this for 10 workouts and you will be doing perfect sets with 95 pounds. At this point, the movement will be close to second nature, and you will have begun to build up your supporting muscles so that you don't have the same issues. The rotator cuff exercises could be good advice too.

After you do this, you will be ready to start lifting the heavier weights. Or you can keep banging your head against the wall trying to bench heavy weights that you can't move effectively, and that are hurting you and creating a potential for injury.