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    I realize some of the bodybuilding world doesnt believe my calorie in take due to my mistake with counting the calories and all that. However i respect all of the advice and criticism given to me. NOW, i just started jim wendlers 531 program. Even tho im skinny and dont have to biggest body or 1rm. I still love the gym i have one down stairs from my apt and at school i just love it. I WOULD LIKE TO NO WHAT I CAN DO ON OFF DAYS OR NOT EVEN OFF DAYS JUST DAYS IM NOT DOING THE PROGRAM. I cant rest or recover my body doesnt get sore. Heres my schedule. Tuesday- bench with chest thursday - deadlift with back .. Friday- military press with shoulders .. Sunday squat with legs.

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    Based on what you're doing I'd add in biceps and forearms mon, calves and abs wed and tris sat
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    But personally I use a different schedule. I do:
    Monday: chest and abs
    Tuesday: biceps, forearms, calves
    Wed: quads
    Thurs: shoulders, triceps, abs
    Fri: back
    Sat: hamstrings and calves
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    But personally I use a different schedule. I do: Monday: chest and abs Tuesday: biceps, forearms, calves Wed: quads Thurs: shoulders, triceps, abs Fri: back Sat: hamstrings and calves
    Unfortunetly 5/3/1 is a 4 day routine that's based around Bench, Squat, OHP, and deadlift
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    You have to rest and recover. Just because you're not sore, doesn't mean you're recovered.

    Follow the program how it's written and it will produce the results you want. On your off days you can do some conditioning if you'd like.

    I would search in the training logs. There's several members that are actively runnin 5/3/1, and you could gain some knowledge by reading through them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    Unfortunetly 5/3/1 is a 4 day routine that's based around Bench, Squat, OHP, and deadlift
    I know, I was offering what routine I follow for growth :-) but I train more for bodybuilding vs powerlifting, my strength has just come along with my physique haha
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    Stopped reading at "I can't rest or recover"
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Stopped reading at "I can't rest or recover"
    hahaha, yeah I was laughing at that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    I know, I was offering what routine I follow for growth :-) but I train more for bodybuilding vs powerlifting, my strength has just come along with my physique haha
    Ahh I gotcha bud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    You have to rest and recover. Just because you're not sore, doesn't mean you're recovered.

    Follow the program how it's written and it will produce the results you want. On your off days you can do some conditioning if you'd like.

    I would search in the training logs. There's several members that are actively runnin 5/3/1, and you could gain some knowledge by reading through them.
    Been bulking and gaining mass dont want to lose it if i condition and do cardio. Am i right or wrong your one of the few on this thing that i actually take your advice and use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan_wilde View Post
    Been bulking and gaining mass dont want to lose it if i condition and do cardio. Am i right or wrong your one of the few on this thing that i actually take your advice and use it.
    Conditioning and cardio are not exactly the same. Conditioning is used to improve your health and overall endurance level while maintaining size and strength. Short bursts of energy I.e. sprints, prowler work, battle ropes, box jumps, bleachers, dynamic work, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    You have to rest and recover. Just because you're not sore, doesn't mean you're recovered.
    Just because you're sore doesn't mean you shouldn't train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    Just because you're sore doesn't mean you shouldn't train.
    Yes, yes it actually does. If you are trying to grow, lifting when sore is counterproductive. You grow when you REST. When I'm training to grow I won't have less than 5 days between doing the same muscle group. If you're lifting when sore it means you're muscles are still broken down from your previous training session and haven't rebuilt yet, this means you can actually shrink yourself by tearing more muscle fibers that aren't going to be able to repair themselves as they should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    Yes, yes it actually does. If you are trying to grow lifting when sore is counterproductive. You grow when you REST. When in training to grow I won't have less than 5 days between doing the same muscle group. If you're lifting when sore it means you're muscles are still broken down from your previous training session and haven't rebuilt yet, this means you can actually shrink yourself by tearing more muscle fibers that aren't going to be able to repair themselves as they should.
    never gained more strength/muscle in my entire life. I credit lifting heavy 6 times a week and eating meat.
    But sure, have it your way, knowing someone who has been lifting half as long breaks you PRs.

    Yes yes I know no videos blabla... I have guys asking me in the gym what supps I take how I do it etc. Truth is I FORCE my body to adapt I don't hold back just because weider tells me to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    never gained more strength/muscle in my entire life. I credit lifting heavy 6 times a week and eating meat. But sure, have it your way, knowing someone who has been lifting half as long breaks you PRs. Yes yes I know no videos blabla... I have guys asking me in the gym what supps I take how I do it etc. Truth is I FORCE my body to adapt I don't hold back just because weider tells me to.
    what? I don't even know who u are lol. You say you've been lifting half as long as me and break my PR's? How do you know how long I've been lifting or what my PR's are? I've had people asking me what I'm taking for the last 6-7 years, lol
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    I found your log, lmfao, you don't come close to what I lift buddy. Keen dreaming of benching over 100kg for reps lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    what? I don't even know who u are lol. You say you've been lifting half as long as me and break my PR's? How do you know how long I've been lifting or what my PR's are? I've had people asking me what I'm taking for the last 6-7 years, lol
    General statement bud. But have it your way. People that achieve stuff do so because they rest more, not because they work harder than the rest. Yeah... elite strongmen/powerlifters/bodybuilders/olimpuc weightlifters bust their ass for hours a day 6 days a week (almost all of them at least) So why tell people to rest more instead of working harder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    I found your log, lmfao, you don't come close to what I lift buddy. Keen dreaming of benching over 100kg for reps lmao
    Give me another what... 5 years?

    Been at it for 6 months and compared to what training was like before I feel as though rhis is a million times better.

    Though I understand my experience counts for little at best. Google chaos and pain. Record holder in powerlifting after his third meet wven though he never trained for it. Obviously overdoing it and losing strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    General statement bud. But have it your way. People that achieve stuff do so because they rest more, not because they work harder than the rest. Yeah... elite strongmen/powerlifters/bodybuilders/olimpuc weightlifters bust their ass for hours a day 6 days a week (almost all of them at least) So why tell people to rest more instead of working harder?
    Its about breaking down the muscle tissue (busting your ass in the gym) and then giving your body adequate time to grow. I lift 6 days a week. I just stagger my body parts so that I am never sore for the lifts I'll be doing that day. Maybe it's a little advanced for you? Haha jk, I can share if you'd like. And btw if you're quoting me then what you're saying is directed at me, not a general statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    Just because you're sore doesn't mean you shouldn't train.
    Okay...What does that have to do with what I said? What I said was: Just because you aren't sore, doesn't necessarily mean you're recovered. There are days that I don't experience DOMS, even with working a maximal load. That doesn't mean I'm recovered.

    I'd rather him not think he can train chest every day because he's not sore lol
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    How old are u kid? Here's me at 21, natural. Quit thinking you're such a bad ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    Its about breaking down the muscle tissue (busting your ass in the gym) and then giving your body adequate time to grow. I lift 6 days a week. I just stagger my body parts so that I am never sore for the lifts I'll be doing that day. Maybe it's a little advanced for you? Haha jk, I can share if you'd like
    Read lots of reports of people struggling to pull 315lbs after 2 years even though they dollowed SS or 531.
    Pulled it after 6 months of not following anyones programm.
    But whatever I am a newb, cannot change that and if you think that because of it I am not qualified to compared 6 to 24 so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    Read lots of reports of people struggling to pull 315lbs after 2 years even though they dollowed SS or 531. Pulled it after 6 months of not following anyones programm. But whatever I am a newb, cannot change that and if you think that because of it I am not qualified to compared 6 to 24 so be it.
    Can you share those reports? I'm genuinely interested in it to see those details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    How old are u kid? Here's me at 21, natural. Quit thinking you're such a bad ass

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96 677"/>
    Cool. Gj I dont care about looks too too much, lots buff guys at my gym that are surprised a human could even put 70kg over thwir head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post

    Can you share those reports? I'm genuinely interested in it to see those details.
    Visit reddit
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    Cool. Gj I dont care about looks too too much, lots buff guys at my gym that are surprised a human could even put 70kg over thwir head
    would you like for me to come rep your maxes? Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    would you like for me to come rep your maxes? Lol
    So you could rep my maxes after lifting at least 12 times as long? Holy crapapples Batman.
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    Ok off to sleep now. But simpl think on this:
    Do people actually get better at something by doing less of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    never gained more strength/muscle in my entire life. I credit lifting heavy 6 times a week and eating meat. But sure, have it your way, knowing someone who has been lifting half as long breaks you PRs. Yes yes I know no videos blabla... I have guys asking me in the gym what supps I take how I do it etc. Truth is I FORCE my body to adapt I don't hold back just because weider tells me to.
    Was this not you typing? Did you have an out of body experience? Your PR's are less than I start my sets with. You decided to try and talk hard to me like you're mr Johnny hotshot, but you're not. Maybe read and learn on here a little before you start opening your mouth so much. Acting like you're an expert after 6 months is absurd
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    Ok off to sleep now. But simpl think on this: Do people actually get better at something by doing less of it?
    Go search on reddit for "overtraining" cheers mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    Ok off to sleep now. But simpl think on this: Do people actually get better at something by doing less of it?
    dude, you're in over your head. Hope you wake up a tad smarter and realize the guys you have been talking to know their sht. Like you said, you're a newb, so when a guy who had been hitting it hard for YEARS tells you something, don't get defensive......kinda makes ya look like a big ol douche!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post

    never gained more strength/muscle in my entire life. I credit lifting heavy 6 times a week and eating meat.
    But sure, have it your way, knowing someone who has been lifting half as long breaks you PRs.

    Yes yes I know no videos blabla... I have guys asking me in the gym what supps I take how I do it etc. Truth is I FORCE my body to adapt I don't hold back just because weider tells me to.
    Google "neural adaptation" and "beginner gains". I pulled 525 at 16 after a year of lifting. Bw-185. I'm now on wendlers program.



    That said... 531 is an intermediate to advanced program and may not be right for OP.


    Rest is how you get stronger. Period.
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    This thread was a piece of shyt to begin with, then it got worse.

    The broscience is strong in this one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    This thread was a piece of shyt to begin with, then it got worse. The broscience is strong in this one...
    haha, "I've been training for 6 months and I know everything, u ain't ever seen gains like deez"
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    This thread was a piece of shyt to begin with, then it got worse.

    The broscience is strong in this one...
    I got stronger & smashed world records by benching once a week. Boom.
    Don't worry, man, someday I'ma be nobody too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    I got stronger & smashed world records by benching once a week. Boom.
    Well that's cause you wear blue tights w a big red 'S' on the chest. Or is that your natural skin tone and a tattoo?

    Wait, wut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Well that's cause you wear blue tights w a big red 'S' on the chest. Or is that your natural skin tone and a tattoo?

    Wait, wut?
    My clothes just look like tights cuz I'm so swole'd up from smashing weights.
    Don't worry, man, someday I'ma be nobody too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    My clothes just look like tights cuz I'm so swole'd up from smashing poor unsuspecting food.
    Fixed...
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    In the end everyone's body is different and will respond differently to different training routines, supplements and diet. For instance I've been training like a bodybuilder (for my physique), yet I do not compete, I just like to look good, but I can out lift most of my buddies that compete for powerlifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaGerGuy3000 View Post
    General statement bud. But have it your way. People that achieve stuff do so because they rest more, not because they work harder than the rest. Yeah... elite strongmen/powerlifters/bodybuilders/olimpuc weightlifters bust their ass for hours a day 6 days a week (almost all of them at least) So why tell people to rest more instead of working harder?
    cant say i workout with elites. but several national level strongmen, they train no more than 4 days a week. several state record holders in olympic lifting, no more than 5 days a week, usually 4. as for powerlifters, i train with guys that hold state records, national and world records. there is a guy that totals 2500 equipped and another that totals 1800 raw and another that even writes for elitefts (mick manley). they train 4 days a week.

    sure there are people that train 6 or 7 days and even do 10+ workouts a week. they also know how to manipulate volume and intensity appropriately. that takes years to fine tune sand changes on a yearly and even monthly basis. that is why getting on a proven program with scheduled deloads is so important for many people as they just dont know how to manipulate the variables.

    many people also dont know you can be more frequent with olympic lifting due to its lack of eccentric movement. so the recovery is much faster therefore it is different on its frequency demands and therefore affects the volume and intensity needed. it also is known for 1 rep maxes which is high intensity and again changes the volume needs.

    now your seemingly grand increase in weights lifted at first, welcome to being a newb in the weight room. even a horrible program can work when you get started. every year you are in the game it makes it harder. i feel lucky when i gain 5lbs on a lift after a 9 week cycle. ecstatic if i hit 10lbs gain. your gains are from improving the skill of lifting for the first few months and not much muscle gain if any. so dont think this is anything special or new to us old timers.

    you are also digging yourself a hole here. i would recommend reading and learning more. please do offer advice from your experience, just understand there will always be those with more experience and more education and when they all agree with a topic and that means you are wrong, you may be wrong.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.
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