A Hormonal Smorgasbord: By PalmFist

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    I've never messed with TUDCA really. Some cycles if I'm using heavy methyls I'll hit up the milk thistle and NAC if it's like stano and halo I don't bother. Just be smart. Don't crush the beers 4 nights a week and your probably fine.

    One of the more experienced members here has really put things in perspective for me. As "harsh" as superdrol, anadrol and winstrol are, their about the same as Advil with liver tox levels... Arthritis patients eat that sh!t like pez candy. Chew on that for a bit.

    Is cycle support even needed? I say yes for the other ingredients. Not the liver "protection". Mostly to keep bp low and stuff like that.
    Agree with you on all that^^
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  2. In for results..... Was looking into running SDMZ at 2 caps a day (20mg msten/dmz). Then maybe throwing a cap of lgi dmz-15 in with it.

    20mg msten/35 dmz
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  3. i didn't recommend 30mg of msten for the long haul purely based on my high blood pressure - you'll have to experiment. I've got the bloods to prove TUDCA @ 500-1000mg/day on orals does me just fine, along with some cheap antioxidants for good measure & because I'm so prone to sinus infections it seems these last few years.

    Nutraplanets was around 30/bottle, Shredded Labs stuff was actually totally legit according to my bloods, & the local supp shop has some brand for 30 as well. Omega's is always 40ish. These really aren't crazy prices for something that's as good as it gets.

    As for the burning, of course it burned. It's an ACID. That's why people cap it. Buy it capped or buy a capper. Gel caps are hella cheap.

    NAC is the only compound besides TUDCA I'd trust my liver to, personally. That shiz also seems to work for me. FWIW.
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  4. Nutraplanet's tudca had been out of stock for awhile. I keep checking, do to i need to order some.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy07 View Post
    Nutraplanet's tudca had been out of stock for awhile. I keep checking, do to i need to order some.
    I know; I bought some for 26/bottle when they were clearing it out lol. If I'd have known I'd prob have bought more than 6. Prob just going to buy a capper since most of my stuff is bulk anyway.
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  6. Well SamE is up there for liver issues as well its just that it treats a different symptom than that caused by methyls, which is blocked bile. Its weird cuz there really needs to be more research done with TUDCA. UDCA is proven and is supplied at a prescription level, but TUDCA is still OTC because of the taurine and there isn't as much government or university backed studies done with it. Both are very effective but dosage really is subjective, as it seems all supplements are...
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  7. So the cycle is now:

    Wk 1-5/6 Msten @ 20-30mg
    Wk 1-4 AI Cycle Support
    Wk 5-8 Aegis w/TUDCA
    Wk 5-8 Reaper DNA
    Wk 1-8 Dermacrine
    Wk 7-… Aero, Exem, Stane…
    Wk 1-8 Taurine (bulk powder)

    Of course multis, oils, joint stuff, whatnot and whatnot…. These are implied.
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  8. GD I can't wait anymore! Im starting tomorrow for sure! Lean gains here we come. Stand by to stand by nag's...

    Pics y todo to follow...
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  9. Finally! :P

  10. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    So the cycle is now:

    Wk 1-5/6 Msten @ 20-30mg
    Wk 1-4 AI Cycle Support
    Wk 5-8 Aegis w/TUDCA
    Wk 5-8 Reaper DNA
    Wk 1-8 Dermacrine
    Wk 7-… Aero, Exem, Stane…
    Wk 1-8 Taurine (bulk powder)

    Of course multis, oils, joint stuff, whatnot and whatnot…. These are implied.
    Just curious, how much you going to dose the Aegis at? IIRC, the tudca in aegis is only 85mg a cap.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by TheSaiyan View Post
    Finally! :P
    Well lets see. 10-20 in 4. Then dry that sh*t up with -0 to -5 in 4. This should be amazazing...
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy07 View Post
    Just curious, how much you going to dose the Aegis at? IIRC, the tudca in aegis is only 85mg a cap.
    Yup so thats 6 caps a day. Split 3 a piece
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Well lets see. 10-20 in 4. Then dry that sh*t up with -0 to -5 in 4. This should be amazazing...
    I don't speak in riddles, is that poundage?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TheSaiyan View Post
    I don't speak in riddles, is that poundage?
    lets say yesaian
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  15. katy perry dark horse
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy07 View Post
    Just curious, how much you going to dose the Aegis at? IIRC, the tudca in aegis is only 85mg a cap.
    I'd be taking 6 of dem bishes a day, at least.
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  17. And that's hella pricey. I'd just keep some bulk NAC around too & stack it in vs buy more Aegis tho. Synergy is a beautiful thing, & everyone knows NAC is legit anyway.
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  18. Oh btw.....time to get your recomp on! Msten makes you just look better, all-around. And DOMs completely disappeared after 2 wks or so on it for me. It was insane; I could train every single day.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Msten makes you just look better, all-around.
    No lie. My stenzine run was the BEST I've looked (body comp wise, cuz well; in a good lookin dude anyhow)
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  20. Day 1:

    No training for today. Dosed 2 Msten and the supports. Nothing more to report
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  21. Hopefully I get a session in tomorrow. Working late shifts through the weekend but making good hours. Hard to get all my meals and training in but I'll make it happen. Waiting for black Friday to stock up on protein.

    Shout out to Mr Beaner. Got my package last night with the extra goodies. Thanks big dog!
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  22. Who has the best Black Friday deals, usually? I never thought about that with supps...
    “Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you. Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly—not for what you will get out of it, but because you are eager to serve God. ... lead them by your own good example.” 1 Peter‬ 5:2-3‬

  23. You just have to shop around man. PHF. NP. MRSUPPS. ORBIT. LOCKOUT. VITAMINSHOPPE. There's so many
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  24. Looks like Tapatalk is finally up and running properly after the last update. I should be around a lot more now
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  25. I feel like hell today. Gonna eat a huge breakfast right now, thats right breakfast is at 2pm when your on graves for OT. Slam a ton of water. Take my pills. Beat off. Shower. Then go put a new heater core in my car. Probably just run a 3 mile and do some pullups and bench for my workout
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