A Hormonal Smorgasbord: By PalmFist
- 11-21-2013, 11:48 AM
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11-21-2013, 08:22 PM
Anyone besides me see this? I have no reason to not believe CB. Seems like Ill just have to give this a try and get bloods after. Im on AI Cycle Support and feel like theres too much variation on quality of tudca vs price for me to pick any up. Pharm grade is like $100 for 15g, where bulk powders are about $35-50 for the same 15g. Fck it, AI Cycle Support it is
Bulk TUDCA taste
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have some on hand just in case I start pissing out some green goop or whatever… Apoptosis, apopshmoshus...
11-21-2013, 09:31 PM
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11-22-2013, 12:12 AM
11-22-2013, 12:50 AM
If using TUDCA for treating an alcohol-abused liver, be aware of the temporal relationship needed. Co-incubation (same time) or rehabilitative (after the matter) usage of TUDCA may be protective of the liver while pre-loading TUDCA before drinking may be harmful to the liver.
For short term treatment of bile acid complications and cholestasis, TUDCA appears to be very potent and reliable. Used in clinical settings for treatment of cholestasis as well.
11-22-2013, 01:34 AM
Lol I was just reading on a thread where an SNS rep was giving advice on Tudca/Udca like he was the end all be all of the subject and then went on to say he "never preloads on anything because its just a waste"…
Heres some G2 errybody: the whole purpose behind preloading cycle support is because it takes time, as in weeks, for most of those compounds to build up to an effective level in the body…
Lastly, not all cycles require on cycle support. Many are mild enough that its unnecessary, especially injectables. Its mostly the 17a methyls that you have to take precaution with. If I were doing an 8 week cycle of say, FinaFlex 1-andro, I wouldn't waste my money on cycle support. Msten is literally one of the harshest steroids to metabolize in the body; I wouldn't run a cycle of it without support supps.
11-22-2013, 01:43 AM
Upon further consideration I will be running TUDCA weeks 4-8 at 750mg a day. This is on top of Cycle Support for the duration
11-22-2013, 02:00 AM
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11-22-2013, 07:56 AM
I've never used TUDCA or UDCA. My go to has always been AI cycle/life support and bulk NAC.
11-22-2013, 10:51 AM
Omega Sports makes a TUDCA product. 60 pills @ 250mg. It costs about $40 a bottle. I had just discovered this after having purchased UDCA.
11-22-2013, 11:18 AM
I've never messed with TUDCA really. Some cycles if I'm using heavy methyls I'll hit up the milk thistle and NAC if it's like stano and halo I don't bother. Just be smart. Don't crush the beers 4 nights a week and your probably fine.
One of the more experienced members here has really put things in perspective for me. As "harsh" as superdrol, anadrol and winstrol are, their about the same as Advil with liver tox levels... Arthritis patients eat that sh!t like pez candy. Chew on that for a bit.
Is cycle support even needed? I say yes for the other ingredients. Not the liver "protection". Mostly to keep bp low and stuff like that.
I'm just a dude chasing a dream
11-22-2013, 01:49 PM
11-22-2013, 07:59 PM
In for results..... Was looking into running SDMZ at 2 caps a day (20mg msten/dmz). Then maybe throwing a cap of lgi dmz-15 in with it.
20mg msten/35 dmz
11-22-2013, 08:09 PM
i didn't recommend 30mg of msten for the long haul purely based on my high blood pressure - you'll have to experiment. I've got the bloods to prove TUDCA @ 500-1000mg/day on orals does me just fine, along with some cheap antioxidants for good measure & because I'm so prone to sinus infections it seems these last few years.
Nutraplanets was around 30/bottle, Shredded Labs stuff was actually totally legit according to my bloods, & the local supp shop has some brand for 30 as well. Omega's is always 40ish. These really aren't crazy prices for something that's as good as it gets.
As for the burning, of course it burned. It's an ACID. That's why people cap it. Buy it capped or buy a capper. Gel caps are hella cheap.
NAC is the only compound besides TUDCA I'd trust my liver to, personally. That shiz also seems to work for me. FWIW.
11-22-2013, 08:29 PM
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11-22-2013, 09:05 PM
Well SamE is up there for liver issues as well its just that it treats a different symptom than that caused by methyls, which is blocked bile. Its weird cuz there really needs to be more research done with TUDCA. UDCA is proven and is supplied at a prescription level, but TUDCA is still OTC because of the taurine and there isn't as much government or university backed studies done with it. Both are very effective but dosage really is subjective, as it seems all supplements are...
11-22-2013, 09:08 PM
So the cycle is now:
Wk 1-5/6 Msten @ 20-30mg
Wk 1-4 AI Cycle Support
Wk 5-8 Aegis w/TUDCA
Wk 5-8 Reaper DNA
Wk 1-8 Dermacrine
Wk 7-… Aero, Exem, Stane…
Wk 1-8 Taurine (bulk powder)
Of course multis, oils, joint stuff, whatnot and whatnot…. These are implied.
11-22-2013, 09:53 PM
GD I can't wait anymore! Im starting tomorrow for sure! Lean gains here we come. Stand by to stand by nag's...
Pics y todo to follow...
11-22-2013, 09:56 PM
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