Best tricep exercise
- 09-12-2013, 04:59 PM
- 09-12-2013, 05:20 PM
by solo do you mean like home gym, or just not with a partner? if its the latter, just learn to break that shyness and ask for a spot on your heaviest sets. eventually youll find 2-3 reliables that wont spot like a jackass and work out the same time as you
you also gotta realize that strength and power are two different goals. strength revolves around max load movements like bench press variations.
power involves max velocity movements, think of sport related or being able to push someone/something out of your way. which one do you really want?
- 09-12-2013, 07:07 PM
09-12-2013, 07:17 PM
JM presses and dips
As far as the power thing goes, I'm growing to freaking hate that everyone thinks that you can't build power with near maximal effort. To quote Dr Fred Hatfield aka Dr Squat, "You can't move a heavy weight slow." When you look at the top raw lifters, very few of them actually put a huge emphasis on the DE.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
09-12-2013, 08:00 PM
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09-12-2013, 10:55 PM
You knew that this would bring me out of the wood work.Originally Posted by Rodja
You can be damn sure they are utilizing some means of plyometric programming which in turn qualifies as dynamic effort. Not that power can't be built using near maximal percentages its only a piece of the puzzle that can not stand alone as the sole contributor to the increase in (inter)intramuscular coordination needed to see performance changes.
09-12-2013, 11:07 PM
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09-12-2013, 11:42 PM
You train with them?Originally Posted by Rodja
Remove it from the powerlifting sense for a minute. You have an athlete who needs to run faster and jump higher. Do you only have the pull a heavy sled and squat heavy? The answer is unequivocally, no. Because the body needs each piece of the puzzle (stimuli) to establish the (inter)intramuscular
coordination/capabilities necessary to produce high speed movements with maximal force. And now back to powerlifting the reason why it has come into question by the individuals you cite is because time is not a consideration in powerlifting the way it is in other sports/actions.
Agree to disagree I just needed to add my two cents and broaden the horizons of the nay say to DE.
09-13-2013, 12:07 AM
09-13-2013, 06:17 AM
And yes, Tuchscherer wrote an article pretty much against it.
Why Speed Work Doesn't Work - Juggernaut Training Systems - Juggernaut Training Systems
09-13-2013, 06:24 AM
Weighted bench dips with a dumbbell between my legs always blows up my triceps. Regular dips are king but they mess with my already bad shoulders too much.
Remember why you started.
09-13-2013, 06:37 AM
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09-13-2013, 11:51 AM
I like rolling tricep extensions. Either with a curl bar or swiss bar rolling it on the ground toward your head, or using dumbbells, resting them on the ground, and then using a little momentum to get them off the ground. Tate presses are good as well, and I also like CGBP with a safety squat bar. JMs are king, but I don't feel I perform them properly at higher percentages.
My interpretation of the JM, done a little stricter so I keep myself honest.
09-13-2013, 02:08 PM
Referring to JM press. Aside from that I actually like all the same movements as you man. Sometimes if I'm feeling weak ill do some rope push downs or something.
"Jackie Treehorn treats objects like woman man."
09-13-2013, 02:16 PM
I'm probably going to catch hell for this...
If you're training alone, hit heavy ass CGBP on the smith. It takes some positioning to get the bar placement just right, but honestly I used to do only these & dips for a long time. My triceps are hands down the strongest part of my BP, so it must've worked.
I simply like them because there's total tricep isolation. No stabilizers, no bar path fight, just PRESS.
Don't worry, man, someday I'ma be nobody too.
09-13-2013, 02:43 PM
09-13-2013, 03:57 PM
09-13-2013, 04:56 PM
Also, maybe as a finisher, I have used a band looped over a chin bar or pin in the rack Tate did these a bit. (so you can set or adjust some tension) As the arms get straighter, you gain more leverage and ability to use more tension, thus exercising better, the easy part of the ROM/lift.
09-13-2013, 05:22 PM
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M.Ed. Ex Phys
09-14-2013, 12:17 AM
Sarcasm...doubt their logs include each and every aspect of their training. To top that off the ring leader of the JTS crew, some of which you have listed,, is an avid proponent of plyometrics done for any strength athlete.Originally Posted by Rodja
"If you attempt a squat in a meet and grind it for 15 or 20 seconds, but complete the lift for white lights, yet your competitor completes the same weight in 3 seconds, who wins? Assume both of you move up 5 pounds and miss. The answer is you tie (or win/lose based on bodyweight which is pretty much a tie) because there is NO time component to powerlifting. Despite the name, power (in the physics sense) is not what you care about as a powerlifter. You care about force." -Mike Tuchscherer
So you can contradict an individual who you cite and is at the forefront of your counter argument, but I take a broader approach to the application and efficacy of DE, in respect to sport where velocity is a more prevalent factor and its a BS "straw man" argument. Haha your a funny guy. Always with the personal attacks on other's understanding. It seems to me it just comes as a by product of not being able to see past the tip of your own nose but nonetheless. Just out of curiosity where is your M. Ed from?
At no point did I say that velocity and acceleration are not an important part of physics, as you have falsely assumed and proceeded to then base a personal attack on. What I did refer to is its place in powerlifting competition, much to the same effect as Tuchscherers' statement.
Again a wrong assumption I actually do not and have not applied any template used by geared lifters. What I did was challenge a nay say of the efficacy of dynamic exercise with regards to increasing potential for power output. At no point does the OP even ask about powerlifting he speaks about power in the physics sense and strength. The most explosive athletes in the world utilize some means of dynamic programming but I guess the physiological adaptations they yield just cease to exist when in the context of powerlifting, right?
You also shot yourself in the foot right from the start power can not be built only produced. So your going to tell me that utilizing exercise that establishes and increases the (inter)intramuscular coordination necessary to move the body at high speeds while maintaining optimal positioning in reference to anthropometric measure and mechanical advantages in order to produce power is not beneficial...
I think it's time to take your gross understanding back to the drawing board.
09-14-2013, 01:13 AM
You're constantly adding to my position in an attempt to strengthen your argument and at no point did I personally attack you, but you actually did towards me.
Now, back to the task at hand...plyometrics=/DE just as a DE=/plyometrics. The difference, and this is critical, is if eccentric motion is involved. The number one proponent of the DE is Louie Simmons and his American version of the conjugate system and guess what this is mainly used for....geared lifters!! The OP has PL aspirations, which I can see you missed, so that is why I applied it to that sense and ignored the other athletic aspirations.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
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M.Ed. Ex Phys
09-14-2013, 10:03 AM
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09-14-2013, 12:39 PM
I was not referring to your straw man reference as a personal attack. It was your wrongful assumption, based on my time statement, that prompted you to try to undermine my understanding, which you have a habit of doing. That is what in turn prompted my facetious comments. In fact I made an attempt to leave it off with an agree to disagree. My addition to the discussion was that the application of dynamics to a program whether they be the DE or some other form is a piece of the puzzle that can't be ignored as beneficial due to the adaptations that ensue as a product of their use.Originally Posted by Rodja
I did not try to intertwine DE in the strict westside sense with plyometrics and I make the distinction never using "dynamic effort" and plyometrics or dynamic exercise interchangeably. With that said though still all three phases (eccentric amortization concentric) are achieved in a DE squat and bench.
He doesn't mention it in this thread, to my knowledge, so I did miss that and was my reason for expanding the discussion outside of the typical DE discussion.
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