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  1. Quote Originally Posted by NYiron View Post
    Sarcasm...doubt their logs include each and every aspect of their training. To top that off the ring leader of the JTS crew, some of which you have listed,, is an avid proponent of plyometrics done for any strength athlete.

    "If you attempt a squat in a meet and grind it for 15 or 20 seconds, but complete the lift for white lights, yet your competitor completes the same weight in 3 seconds, who wins? Assume both of you move up 5 pounds and miss. The answer is you tie (or win/lose based on bodyweight which is pretty much a tie) because there is NO time component to powerlifting. Despite the name, power (in the physics sense) is not what you care about as a powerlifter. You care about force." -Mike Tuchscherer

    So you can contradict an individual who you cite and is at the forefront of your counter argument, but I take a broader approach to the application and efficacy of DE, in respect to sport where velocity is a more prevalent factor and its a BS "straw man" argument. Haha your a funny guy. Always with the personal attacks on other's understanding. It seems to me it just comes as a by product of not being able to see past the tip of your own nose but nonetheless. Just out of curiosity where is your M. Ed from?

    At no point did I say that velocity and acceleration are not an important part of physics, as you have falsely assumed and proceeded to then base a personal attack on. What I did refer to is its place in powerlifting competition, much to the same effect as Tuchscherers' statement.

    Again a wrong assumption I actually do not and have not applied any template used by geared lifters. What I did was challenge a nay say of the efficacy of dynamic exercise with regards to increasing potential for power output. At no point does the OP even ask about powerlifting he speaks about power in the physics sense and strength. The most explosive athletes in the world utilize some means of dynamic programming but I guess the physiological adaptations they yield just cease to exist when in the context of powerlifting, right?

    You also shot yourself in the foot right from the start power can not be built only produced. So your going to tell me that utilizing exercise that establishes and increases the (inter)intramuscular coordination necessary to move the body at high speeds while maintaining optimal positioning in reference to anthropometric measure and mechanical advantages in order to produce power is not beneficial...
    I think it's time to take your gross understanding back to the drawing board.
    If you're going to be snarky and facetious, which you have a habit of doing, you might want to learn what a straw man argument is and how it is not a personal attack.

    You're constantly adding to my position in an attempt to strengthen your argument and at no point did I personally attack you, but you actually did towards me.

    Now, back to the task at hand...plyometrics=/DE just as a DE=/plyometrics. The difference, and this is critical, is if eccentric motion is involved. The number one proponent of the DE is Louie Simmons and his American version of the conjugate system and guess what this is mainly used for....geared lifters!! The OP has PL aspirations, which I can see you missed, so that is why I applied it to that sense and ignored the other athletic aspirations.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    Their respective templates/logs are not hard to find. BS straw man argument aside, if you think time is not a factor in PL'ing, then you have shown a gross lack of understanding of the entire techniques involved and you're more or less taking a template popularized by geared lifters and universally applying it to raw lifter. Hell, even many geared lifters have removed the DE from their respective templates in favor of more SE and RE work.

    Against. A lot of the principles of the conjugate system are from Oly lifters (e.g. Prilepin's chart) and can only be marginally applied to PL'ing.
    SE?

    I'm familiar with ME, RE, and DE.


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    SE?

    I'm familiar with ME, RE, and DE.


    Learn me something.
    Submaximal Effort. It's kinda the bastard child of the ME and RE.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    Submaximal Effort. It's kinda the bastard child of the ME and RE.
    That's all I could think of when looking at it, can't say I hear a lot about that.

    Although I see a ton of RE work done in PLing rotations.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    That's all I could think of when looking at it, can't say I hear a lot about that.

    Although I see a ton of RE work done in PLing rotations.
    It's somewhat integrated and just renamed a supplemental exercise, which is generally somewhere in the 5-8 range.
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  6. What type of bar speed do you use with SE training?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    What type of bar speed do you use with SE training?
    This is going to depend on the day and how "primed" a person is, but if the user is using a 5RM (arbitrary example), the first 2-3 will be with solid speed, but the bar will slow down precipitously after that with the last one most likely being a grinder.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    This is going to depend on the day and how "primed" a person is, but if the user is using a 5RM (arbitrary example), the first 2-3 will be with solid speed, but the bar will slow down precipitously after that with the last one most likely being a grinder.
    I'll admit that was baiting on my part.

    What I'm after is what methodology applies to SE training that makes it superior to, or a replacement for DE sessions? Seems the % and theoretical application are similar.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    I'll admit that was baiting on my part.

    What I'm after is what methodology applies to SE training that makes it superior to, or a replacement for DE sessions? Seems the % and theoretical application are similar.
    Ah, the difference is the load is going to have better carryover. A SE is going to be something of a strength/hypertrophy hybrid that is going to prime the overall strength of the user without excessively taxing the CNS. My main contention with the DE for PL'ing (don't want someone to take this statement and apply it to everything) is carryover: the load is often too light to true improvements. I treat it as something that is done merely as a deload instead of making it a true staple. Bar speed should ALWAYS be at a premium and the objective during EVERY set even at near 1RM weights.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Ah, the difference is the load is going to have better carryover. A SE is going to be something of a strength/hypertrophy hybrid that is going to prime the overall strength of the user without excessively taxing the CNS. My main contention with the DE for PL'ing (don't want someone to take this statement and apply it to everything) is carryover: the load is often too light to true improvements. I treat it as something that is done merely as a deload instead of making it a true staple. Bar speed should ALWAYS be at a premium and the objective during EVERY set even at near 1RM weights.
    Very interesting...
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post

    Very interesting...
    I too am liking this info

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    If you're going to be snarky and facetious, which you have a habit of doing, you might want to learn what a straw man argument is and how it is not a personal attack.

    You're constantly adding to my position in an attempt to strengthen your argument and at no point did I personally attack you, but you actually did towards me.

    Now, back to the task at hand...plyometrics=/DE just as a DE=/plyometrics. The difference, and this is critical, is if eccentric motion is involved. The number one proponent of the DE is Louie Simmons and his American version of the conjugate system and guess what this is mainly used for....geared lifters!! The OP has PL aspirations, which I can see you missed, so that is why I applied it to that sense and ignored the other athletic aspirations.
    I was not referring to your straw man reference as a personal attack. It was your wrongful assumption, based on my time statement, that prompted you to try to undermine my understanding, which you have a habit of doing. That is what in turn prompted my facetious comments. In fact I made an attempt to leave it off with an agree to disagree. My addition to the discussion was that the application of dynamics to a program whether they be the DE or some other form is a piece of the puzzle that can't be ignored as beneficial due to the adaptations that ensue as a product of their use.

    I did not try to intertwine DE in the strict westside sense with plyometrics and I make the distinction never using "dynamic effort" and plyometrics or dynamic exercise interchangeably. With that said though still all three phases (eccentric amortization concentric) are achieved in a DE squat and bench.

    He doesn't mention it in this thread, to my knowledge, so I did miss that and was my reason for expanding the discussion outside of the typical DE discussion.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by NYiron View Post

    I was not referring to your straw man reference as a personal attack. It was your wrongful assumption, based on my time statement, that prompted you to try to undermine my understanding, which you have a habit of doing. That is what in turn prompted my facetious comments. In fact I made an attempt to leave it off with an agree to disagree. My addition to the discussion was that the application of dynamics to a program whether they be the DE or some other form is a piece of the puzzle that can't be ignored as beneficial due to the adaptations that ensue as a product of their use.

    I did not try to intertwine DE in the strict westside sense with plyometrics and I make the distinction never using "dynamic effort" and plyometrics or dynamic exercise interchangeably. With that said though still all three phases (eccentric amortization concentric) are achieved in a DE squat and bench.

    He doesn't mention it in this thread, to my knowledge, so I did miss that and was my reason for expanding the discussion outside of the typical DE discussion.
    This is a waste of time with you. Seriously, you talk in circles, use fallacious arguments, and spew off on tangents.
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  14. For me it's dips and CGBP's

  15. Do close grips to the pins in the power rack.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Joe_P View Post
    Do close grips to the pins in the power rack.
    That's such a no brainer I can't believe I didn't think of it thanks!

  17. I am a firm believer in dips as the best overall tricep movement. Close second for me is close grip bench.
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  18. I was doing close grips on a Smith machine and it kind of hit me. Because of the fixed up and down plane it is more of a JM press. What about Rippetoe style lying tricep extensions?

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    I am a firm believer in dips as the best overall tricep movement. Close second for me is close grip bench.
    Or both...I superset weighted dips with high rep cgbp's
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    Or both...I superset weighted dips with high rep cgbp's
    Why are you stealing my routine brother?!
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Why are you stealing my routine brother?!
    Cause its the bomb!






    BOOM
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    Cause its the bomb!

    BOOM
    Dips to close grip bp plus a cable tricep kickback burn out. BOOM!
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  23. I usually finish with constant tension, single arm pulldowns...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoupNaziNazi View Post
    Ok so I need to know some really good tricep exercises for strength and power, the only catch is I'm training solo so I don't have any spots. So what would be the best tri exercises for strength and power u can do without a spot?
    Single pulley tricep extensions w/ a rope and close grip dips... My bench press went from 6x315lb to 18x315lb after adding those in after 1yr. My weight at the time was 185lb.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by justmechillin View Post

    Single pulley tricep extensions w/ a rope and close grip dips... My bench press went from 6x315lb to 18x315lb after adding those in after 1yr. My weight at the time was 185lb.
    How would u do close grip dips? And just rope push downs with a rope one arm at a time or above the head?
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