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  1. I also think the general consensus behind some of the deadlift every other week, (maybe some of the WSB stuff) is from more the apparent beating the CNS takes, from regular heavy pulling. But I am from the school, (and you have to see some of DH's vids) that the CNS can be trained to adapt, just like a lot of other body systems and parts.
    As you stated earlier, whatever works for you.
    Lastly, I love it so much, that I would rather DL than pick up lotto winnings, but I am a bit skewed, I will admit ;-)


  2. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    I also think the general consensus behind some of the deadlift every other week, (maybe some of the WSB stuff) is from more the apparent beating the CNS takes, from regular heavy pulling. But I am from the school, (and you have to see some of DH's vids) that the CNS can be trained to adapt, just like a lot of other body systems and parts.
    As you stated earlier, whatever works for you.
    Lastly, I love it so much, that I would rather DL than pick up lotto winnings, but I am a bit skewed, I will admit ;-)
    The CNS is amazing but after doing heavy met cons day in and day out i don't think my CNS could take much more, let alone deadlift. I can squat heavy till the cows come home (thank you Bulgarian training) but DLing is another story.
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  3. Both are extremely important. Infact, they're both the top most essential exercises for overall muscle growth.

    If you're asking which one we like better, I'll say deadlifts. I just love the grip strength, calluses it puts on my hands and extreme strength it puts in your forearms and lower back.
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  4. Figured I'd ask this question here rather than start another thread so here it goes;
    My thighs are still a little bit sore from Saturday morning's squat workout. I'd like to stay on schedule and deadlift today but wasn't sure if its a wise move. I feel good but have read conflicting articles about DOMS and its effect on training. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pmdied View Post
    Figured I'd ask this question here rather than start another thread so here it goes;
    My thighs are still a little bit sore from Saturday morning's squat workout. I'd like to stay on schedule and deadlift today but wasn't sure if its a wise move. I feel good but have read conflicting articles about DOMS and its effect on training. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
    You're gonna have to be your own judge on that one man! Are you sore or are you injured has to be your main question. I would say give yourself a decent warmup, toss in some foam rolling, and start light to see how it feels. Once you break up the lactic acid you may be good to go

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post

    You're gonna have to be your own judge on that one man! Are you sore or are you injured has to be your main question. I would say give yourself a decent warmup, toss in some foam rolling, and start light to see how it feels. Once you break up the lactic acid you may be good to go
    Thanks! Its just some muscle soreness, mainly in the quads. Nothing structural or low back related. Ill do what you suggested and see how the warmup goes.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post

    You're gonna have to be your own judge on that one man! Are you sore or are you injured has to be your main question. I would say give yourself a decent warmup, toss in some foam rolling, and start light to see how it feels. Once you break up the lactic acid you may be good to go
    good advice right here^......also don't worry too much on taking an extra rest day....you grow while resting
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post

    good advice right here^......also don't worry too much on taking an extra rest day....you grow while resting
    Took me a long time to finally do this vs talk about doing this

  9. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    Took me a long time to finally do this vs talk about doing this
    Well, my deadlift workout went very well and was able to increase my weight/reps. That said, I'm going to take the next couple of days off.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pmdied View Post

    Well, my deadlift workout went very well and was able to increase my weight/reps. That said, I'm going to take the next couple of days off.
    Nice work! Good call on the rest days too! Whenever I hit a new big weight I give myself a day or two to bask in its glory (and by that I mean recover)
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  11. They go hand in hand.

    I love them both equally.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Jericoe View Post
    They go hand in hand.

    I love them both equally.
    I find the people who hate them use horrid form or go wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to ****ing heavy.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    or go wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to ****ing heavy.
    thats what i call "hey yall look at my d1ck" lifting

    i see many guys at my gym load 315# on a bar and dip thier ass 5-6" and call that a sqt......its really really sad

  14. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post

    thats what i call "hey yall look at my d1ck" lifting
    Yeah. Half reps are different though. I go heavy as **** on squats I can only go down half way but that's with 400 on the bar. Lol.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Yeah. Half reps are different though. I go heavy as **** on squats I can only go down half way but that's with 400 on the bar. Lol.
    true........i dont do OLY style with my ass 2" off the ground, but i always make sure im at a good "power meet" depth (hip joint below top of quad)

  16. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post

    true........i dont do OLY style with my ass 2" off the ground, but i always make sure im at a good "power meet" depth (hip joint below top of quad)
    There you go man. Good way to look at it. I just added box squats and that's about as low as I go. Ofcourse I'm 6'5 and my rom is an issue but man I feel it!
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    There you go man. Good way to look at it. I just added box squats and that's about as low as I go. Ofcourse I'm 6'5 and my rom is an issue but man I feel it!
    i could never get used to box sqts.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post

    i could never get used to box sqts.
    You gotta go about 60% lighter on them but they have helped my depth.
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  19. Dumb question...box squats??

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post
    Dumb question...box squats??
    Basically get a flat bench. Set it underneath you so that you can sit on it. Load the weight on the bar,sit and stand up. Simple but man does it hurt good!
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Basically get a flat bench. Set it underneath you so that you can sit on it. Load the weight on the bar,sit and stand up. Simple but man does it hurt good!
    That's squatting to a box, not box squatting.

    Box squat:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCa...e_gdata_player

  22. Ok, that's what I thought, just making sure I wasn't missing anything here.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    That's squatting to a box, not box squatting.

    Box squat:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCa...e_gdata_player
    Okay that's exactly what I do but instead of using a "box" which my gym does not have I use a similar surface.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Okay that's exactly what I do but instead of using a "box" which my gym does not have I use a similar surface.
    You didn't describe it like that's what you do. The shin angle is very deliberate and it is supposed to put a lot of tension in the PC.

  25. If physically capable, do both. Different animals. Lacking allot if you pass them up.

  26. You have to be careful squatting to a box, or having any kind of surface stop you from butt to shoulders with bar on you, unless you have some experience and (or a little hands on coaching might help), since some people do not realize, you are pinning the spine between 2 hard surfaces if you hit or drop onto the box wrong or fatigued.
    Personally, I think it is somewhat overrated for the vast majority, or especially raw lifters. One can get very very strong just doing reg BB squats to parallel, or nearly getting the top of the hip to knee level or below. Even pause squats to pins is a great strength builder.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    You have to be careful squatting to a box, or having any kind of surface stop you from butt to shoulders with bar on you, unless you have some experience and (or a little hands on coaching might help), since some people do not realize, you are pinning the spine between 2 hard surfaces if you hit or drop onto the box wrong or fatigued.
    Personally, I think it is somewhat overrated for the vast majority, or especially raw lifters. One can get very very strong just doing reg BB squats to parallel, or nearly getting the top of the hip to knee level or below. Even pause squats to pins is a great strength builder.
    Very good point. My fiancee is healing from spinal surgery from 2 compressed/crushed verts. Start light as hell and be very gentle when you touch that bench. It won't be giving, and neither will your back. I personally hate box squats or anything of the sort. Squat. You get to 500 plus and plateau, maybe a way to go higher..... I hate box squats. Lol. Hard enough on your back just doing squats period. I love squats. Kick the box out of the way LOL. I got to 860 with no box. Js.
  

  
 

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