Squats or Deads

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by PROness View Post
    You don't really "need" to deadlift, especially if you're in the PL game, let alone do it the same day as squats.

    If your squat goes up... alakazam... so does your deadlift. I've had some of my best overall gains doing a heavy set for 3 or 5 everyother week while squatting twice a week heavy. Why kill yourself doing both the same day when all you really need is one?
    It is not really true for me, as I have tried it and am built much more for pulling and can at times do it 2-3 times per week without getting beat up. Not true with squatting for me.
    I am also not from the Vince Anello school that you can raise the dead without deads.
    As far as killing myself, I notice being able to do it, (both) brings up my capacity and adaptation for lots of heavy work in one session, which has helped me too I believe.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    It is not really true for me, as I have tried it and am built much more for pulling and can at times do it 2-3 times per week without getting beat up. Not true with squatting for me.
    I am also not from the Vince Anello school that you can raise the dead without deads.
    As far as killing myself, I notice being able to do it, (both) brings up my capacity and adaptation for lots of heavy work in one session, which has helped me too I believe.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post

    It is not really true for me, as I have tried it and am built much more for pulling and can at times do it 2-3 times per week without getting beat up. Not true with squatting for me.
    I am also not from the Vince Anello school that you can raise the dead without deads.
    As far as killing myself, I notice being able to do it, (both) brings up my capacity and adaptation for lots of heavy work in one session, which has helped me too I believe.
    I feel bad for your joints but whatever works for you...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post

    Ummm...
    Maybe i could give you lessons sometime on how to squat and maybe your deadlift will go up if you're lucky. Haha

  5. Quote Originally Posted by PROness View Post
    I feel bad for your joints but whatever works for you...
    Do you mean low back?, since I think knees take a rougher beating with heavy and or deeper squatting!? And the guys who are not deadlifting every week, are most likely doing some other posterior chain move ie: GM's, RDL's, pull thrus, maybe!? I know a few older guys able to still pull well, but not much on the squat. There again, I think it is what you are more built for.
    My low back seems fine at 50+ years old and yes I have had my twinges, but some of them came from squatting not pulling.
    Even if some of that work along with squats is speed work and or some accommodating and or less ROM rack pulls, I see it helping me pulling every week.
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  6. I also think the general consensus behind some of the deadlift every other week, (maybe some of the WSB stuff) is from more the apparent beating the CNS takes, from regular heavy pulling. But I am from the school, (and you have to see some of DH's vids) that the CNS can be trained to adapt, just like a lot of other body systems and parts.
    As you stated earlier, whatever works for you.
    Lastly, I love it so much, that I would rather DL than pick up lotto winnings, but I am a bit skewed, I will admit ;-)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    I also think the general consensus behind some of the deadlift every other week, (maybe some of the WSB stuff) is from more the apparent beating the CNS takes, from regular heavy pulling. But I am from the school, (and you have to see some of DH's vids) that the CNS can be trained to adapt, just like a lot of other body systems and parts.
    As you stated earlier, whatever works for you.
    Lastly, I love it so much, that I would rather DL than pick up lotto winnings, but I am a bit skewed, I will admit ;-)
    The CNS is amazing but after doing heavy met cons day in and day out i don't think my CNS could take much more, let alone deadlift. I can squat heavy till the cows come home (thank you Bulgarian training) but DLing is another story.

  8. Both are extremely important. Infact, they're both the top most essential exercises for overall muscle growth.

    If you're asking which one we like better, I'll say deadlifts. I just love the grip strength, calluses it puts on my hands and extreme strength it puts in your forearms and lower back.
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  9. Figured I'd ask this question here rather than start another thread so here it goes;
    My thighs are still a little bit sore from Saturday morning's squat workout. I'd like to stay on schedule and deadlift today but wasn't sure if its a wise move. I feel good but have read conflicting articles about DOMS and its effect on training. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pmdied View Post
    Figured I'd ask this question here rather than start another thread so here it goes;
    My thighs are still a little bit sore from Saturday morning's squat workout. I'd like to stay on schedule and deadlift today but wasn't sure if its a wise move. I feel good but have read conflicting articles about DOMS and its effect on training. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.
    You're gonna have to be your own judge on that one man! Are you sore or are you injured has to be your main question. I would say give yourself a decent warmup, toss in some foam rolling, and start light to see how it feels. Once you break up the lactic acid you may be good to go

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post

    You're gonna have to be your own judge on that one man! Are you sore or are you injured has to be your main question. I would say give yourself a decent warmup, toss in some foam rolling, and start light to see how it feels. Once you break up the lactic acid you may be good to go
    Thanks! Its just some muscle soreness, mainly in the quads. Nothing structural or low back related. Ill do what you suggested and see how the warmup goes.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post

    You're gonna have to be your own judge on that one man! Are you sore or are you injured has to be your main question. I would say give yourself a decent warmup, toss in some foam rolling, and start light to see how it feels. Once you break up the lactic acid you may be good to go
    good advice right here^......also don't worry too much on taking an extra rest day....you grow while resting
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post

    good advice right here^......also don't worry too much on taking an extra rest day....you grow while resting
    Took me a long time to finally do this vs talk about doing this

  14. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    Took me a long time to finally do this vs talk about doing this
    Well, my deadlift workout went very well and was able to increase my weight/reps. That said, I'm going to take the next couple of days off.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by pmdied View Post

    Well, my deadlift workout went very well and was able to increase my weight/reps. That said, I'm going to take the next couple of days off.
    Nice work! Good call on the rest days too! Whenever I hit a new big weight I give myself a day or two to bask in its glory (and by that I mean recover)

  16. They go hand in hand.

    I love them both equally.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Jericoe View Post
    They go hand in hand.

    I love them both equally.
    I find the people who hate them use horrid form or go wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to ****ing heavy.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    or go wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to ****ing heavy.
    thats what i call "hey yall look at my d1ck" lifting

    i see many guys at my gym load 315# on a bar and dip thier ass 5-6" and call that a sqt......its really really sad

  19. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post

    thats what i call "hey yall look at my d1ck" lifting
    Yeah. Half reps are different though. I go heavy as **** on squats I can only go down half way but that's with 400 on the bar. Lol.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Yeah. Half reps are different though. I go heavy as **** on squats I can only go down half way but that's with 400 on the bar. Lol.
    true........i dont do OLY style with my ass 2" off the ground, but i always make sure im at a good "power meet" depth (hip joint below top of quad)

  21. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post

    true........i dont do OLY style with my ass 2" off the ground, but i always make sure im at a good "power meet" depth (hip joint below top of quad)
    There you go man. Good way to look at it. I just added box squats and that's about as low as I go. Ofcourse I'm 6'5 and my rom is an issue but man I feel it!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    There you go man. Good way to look at it. I just added box squats and that's about as low as I go. Ofcourse I'm 6'5 and my rom is an issue but man I feel it!
    i could never get used to box sqts.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post

    i could never get used to box sqts.
    You gotta go about 60% lighter on them but they have helped my depth.
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  24. Dumb question...box squats??

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post
    Dumb question...box squats??
    Basically get a flat bench. Set it underneath you so that you can sit on it. Load the weight on the bar,sit and stand up. Simple but man does it hurt good!
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