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    Focus: shoulders and arms

    Can train 5 days a week max
    Was thinking
    ABABC

    C is shoulders arms

    Not sure if anabolics talk I allowed in this sub forum so
    Also for experienced bicyclists. What sort of overall volume do you do per muscle group
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    did you just refer to creatine as an anabolic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    did you just refer to creatine as an anabolic?
    Opposite no idea if anabolics allowed on This section
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    did you just refer to creatine as an anabolic?
    I think he doesn't realize that AAS is openly discussed here so he replaced it with the word creatine. I'm hoping that's it at least. That's just the optimist in me.

    Menace-You haven't even given us any sort of information whatsoever to help you out either..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post

    I think he doesn't realize that AAS is openly discussed here so he replaced it with the word creatine. I'm hoping that's it at least. That's just the optimist in me.

    You haven't even given us any sort of information whatsoever to help you out either..
    I was thinking:
    Push
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    i know im not seeing a cyclist that doesnt train legs
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    i know im not seeing a cyclist that doesnt train legs
    Was thinking of legs with either pull or push
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Menace View Post

    I was thinking:
    Push
    Pull
    Push
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    Shoulders arms
    No. Your overloading your shoulders. They're being worked with all your pressing and pulling movements so adding an additional day for shoulders will possibly hinder your results
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Menace View Post

    Was thinking of legs with either pull or push
    Why not upper/lower/upper/lower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post

    Why not upper/lower/upper/lower
    Not enough volume
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post

    I think he doesn't realize that AAS is openly discussed here so he replaced it with the word creatine. I'm hoping that's it at least. That's just the optimist in me.

    Menace-You haven't even given us any sort of information whatsoever to help you out either..
    optimism gone yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post

    optimism gone yet?
    yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Menace View Post

    Not enough volume
    Volume doesn't mean the amount of days you train.
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    I don't know how to ride a bike, is it rough on the shoulders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post

    Volume doesn't mean the amount of days you train.
    I usually do 47 sets of bicep curls in the squat rack. Then proceed to flex shirtless for 30 minutes. Really works the ribletts you know?
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    Can't do legs more than once due to knee problems

    Monday:legs
    Tuesday push
    Wednesday pull
    Thursday: push
    Saturday push
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    Maybe you should learn to use training wheels first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    I usually do 47 sets of bicep curls in the squat rack. Then proceed to flex shirtless for 30 minutes. Really works the ribletts you know?
    Not enough volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Menace View Post
    Can't do legs more than once due to knee problems

    Monday:legs
    Tuesday push
    Wednesday pull
    Thursday: push
    Saturday push
    ?!
    Don't do steroids.

    Try a 4 or 5 day split, push/pull, or upper/lower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post

    Don't do steroids.

    Try a 4 or 5 day split, push/pull, or upper/lower
    Technically he can use whatever compound he wants. Just saying. I doubt he has a knee injury he just is afraid to squat . We have s curl bro on out hands
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    To the OP: Check out layne's PHAT program...and stick with real creatine.

    To everyone else...what the hell has happened to the quality of the discussions here in the past few months? Is it because college is just getting out and summer is around the corner? Or am I just waking up to notice how stupid sounding my species has become..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    To the OP: Check out layne's PHAT program...and stick with real creatine.

    To everyone else...what the hell has happened to the quality of the discussions here in the past few months? Is it because college is just getting out and summer is around the corner? Or am I just waking up to notice how stupid sounding my species has become..........
    Drowning in a sea of misinformation...

    This thread is not an aberration by any means. This is every commercial gym USA. To the defense of posts like this thread this isn't new and it probably did sound good in OPs head from what he sees. IMO people learn most from what they see. He should listen to what you and Sean have said bc you two had his best interest in mind.

    I think I speak for everyone when I say it is invaluable to have posters like yourself with the knowledge/experience/ability to help keep checks and balances in the forums.
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    PHAT would def be a good option. It'll have the volume that he wants, if he can except lifting 5 times a week instead of 6. Menace- PHAT will have you training your legs twice a week. I know you mentioned havin knee problems, but If you can work your legs once a week and cycle, then I'm sure you'll be fine to train them twice. IMO people that say they have knee problems, really just have weak lower bodies and don't do anything to strengthen it. I don't know if that's your case though

    I just hate the idea of people going into cycles without training in check. To me, ideally, the people on AAS should have the most experience with diet and training because, ideally, they should have done everything possibly to maximize their gains naturally. That's never the case though.
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    Legs one day because of knee problems. *cough* bull**** *cough*

    Legs one day because they're f'n hard, and nobody sees them more like it.
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    If it is a real knee problem I feel for you OP, BUT it could be you squat wrong and travel your knees over your feet instead of staying vertical and forcing you knees to the side and sitting your hamstrings/glutes backward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    If it is a real knee problem I feel for you OP, BUT it could be you squat wrong and travel your knees over your feet instead of staying vertical and forcing you knees to the side and sitting your hamstrings/glutes backward.
    From my experience, there are very few knee problems that cannot be overcome if one is so inclined. I tend to agree with you-likely doing it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post

    From my experience, there are very few knee problems that cannot be overcome if one is so inclined. I tend to agree with you-likely doing it wrong.
    I agree. With the litany of info out there things can be done to help most cases. I found after some discussions with people in real life most people squat wrong, and most of them are taught wrong. Vicious cycle man. So many people squat by simply bending the knees and putting loads of pressure on the front of the foot; without good teaching how would they know better?
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    When you said ABABC, what did the A and B stand for?

    I think in your case an upper/lower/upper/lower would work well.

    Also, that other last template you had is just awful. 3 push days over 1 pull day? I'm just going to be straight with you; if you think thats a good idea then you lack the knowledge to program a programme for yourself. You'll end up with all kinds of postural and muscular imbalances that way. Get on a proven program and get off the steriods; get your training down first.

    Others had some good suggestions; P.H.A.T works well; google it and give it a shot for at ;east 6 months or so, the less you tinker and jump from one template to the next, (while still periodising and things) the better.
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    Once I ditched the running shoes and went flat footed (socks only or Converse) my knees felt great and my weights went up significantly. I'm 39 btw, so these things do work well..
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