Crossfit injury rate

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  1. If its timed, then yes as fast as possible


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Xfit10 View Post
    The goal of kipping is different than strict
    Yes, I read that point, but I was highlighting how using it as a means of increasing work capacity makes no sense. The same can be said for high rep deadlifts, Oly lifts, etc. that are ubiquitous within CF. This increases the chance of injury more than anything and is just another glaring example of the lack of programming and fundamental knowledge of energy systems, fatigue, and proper modality.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    Yes, I read that point, but I was highlighting how using it as a means of increasing work capacity makes no sense. The same can be said for high rep deadlifts, Oly lifts, etc. that are ubiquitous within CF. This increases the chance of injury more than anything and is just another glaring example of the lack of programming and fundamental knowledge of energy systems, fatigue, and proper modality.
    How does it not make sense? By doing kipping as opposed to strict we are able to perform more pull ups in a shorter amount of time, increasing work output

  4. It is the incorporation (bastardization) of other sports into the Crossfit program.

    That type of pull up is used in gymnastics to get above the bar and from there perform another move. You will never see a gymnastics coach having his athletes do sets of kipping pull ups to improve that skill. It is a skill, like kicking a soccer ball or throwing a baseball, and should be treated like one. You wouldn't have a swimmer perform the start of race to fatigue, you wouldn't have a batter swing until he is fatigued and can no longer handle the bat, and you shouldn't train that skill for work capacity or exhaustion either.

    It is not functional. The chances of one needing to perform that movement 10-20 times in a row in real life or sport is minimal. Just look to gymnastics where it originated, they are perhaps performing that move 1-3 times in an entire routine, with quite a bit of space between. Train the core, the hips, and the traditional pull up to increase strength...not kipping pull ups to failure.

    Jason Cholewa Ph.D., CSCS

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Xfit10 View Post
    How does it not make sense? By doing kipping as opposed to strict we are able to perform more pull ups in a shorter amount of time, increasing work output
    The reason it doesn't make sense is that there are a myriad of safer and more efficient methods of increasing work output (e.g sled dragging). Instead, CF decided to use an piss poor excuse to fluff their workouts with a movement that accomplishes nothing. It's all momentum and doesn't improve hip, back, or arm strength. Add in the fatigue factor (BTW, just because you are tired doesn't make the workout good) and you have a disproportionate injury increase.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  6. if you have rodja and jason agreeing in the same thread, its time to just give up. theyre the movement gurus of the forum

  7. They have valid points, there are valid points on both sides I think, I'm fine with kipping pull ups because in don't always do them. They shouldn't be the only form of pull ups anyone does

  8. I've learned a lot from this thread. The biggest thing being that even though I am well into my 40s, I still cannot read the word 'snatch' without giggling.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Xfit10 View Post
    They have valid points, there are valid points on both sides I think, I'm fine with kipping pull ups because in don't always do them. They shouldn't be the only form of pull ups anyone does
    What valid points have you made? There hasn't been a rebuttal to the issues pointed out within the programming and implementation of CF regarding fatigue and performing of highly technical lifts that should only rely on the ATP-PCr system.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    ubiquitous
    Quite possibly the first time in history this word has been used on AM

  11. I guess anything I said is only valid to someone o doesn't already have their mind made up

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Xfit10 View Post
    I guess anything I said is only valid to someone o doesn't already have an education
    Fixed for accuracy.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Xfit10 View Post
    I guess anything I said is only valid to someone o doesn't already have their mind made up
    You could make a valid point by addressing the criticisms within the CF paradigm particularly the inexplicable usage of high-power, high-technique lifts (e.g. Oly lifts, plyos) for time instead of using them for their intended purposes. Or how about their horrible imbalance of internal:external rotators and vertical/horizontal flexion:extension?
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  14. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    You could make a valid point by addressing the criticisms within the CF paradigm particularly the inexplicable usage of high-power, high-technique lifts (e.g. Oly lifts, plyos) for time instead of using them for their intended purposes. Or how about their horrible imbalance of internal:external rotators and vertical/horizontal flexion:extension?
    No I do agree the Oly lifts are dangerous when done by somebody who doesn't know what they are doing, but anyone can and should scale weight to what they can mange safely and more importantly learn how to perform them first

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Xfit10 View Post
    No I do agree the Oly lifts are dangerous when done by somebody who doesn't know what they are doing, but anyone can and should scale weight to what they can mange safely and more importantly learn how to perform them first
    I'm so sure that CF takes the necessary time to teach the finer technical points of the Oly lifts (sarcasm). Let's try this again: these lifts are designed to be used solely with the ATP-PCr system and not for time. If you're not intimately familiar with the energy systems and how to apply them, then don't bother responding.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  16. chirp chirp chirp

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Fixed for accuracy.
    Thank you for the clarification. Haha.

  18. Here's something interesting. I have brothers in-law (wife's side) that own a crossfit gym. One destroyed both of his shoulders and had to have surgery on both of them. He now works out at life time fitness.The other has "sworn off" overhead lifts because his shoulders are so bad. They have their CrossFit certification though. Its not worth the paper its printed on.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    They're Kipping pull ups and they make you good at labral tears...
    Haha beat me to it

  20. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I submit to the courts Exhibit A

    WOD 13.1

    http://games.crossfit.com/workouts/the-open/2013#tabs-1

    MEN - includes Masters Men up to 54 years old
    Proceed through the sequence below completing as many reps as possible in 17 minutes of:
    40 Burpees
    75 pound Snatch, 30 reps
    30 Burpees
    135 pound Snatch, 30 reps
    20 Burpees
    165 pound Snatch, 30 reps
    10 burpees
    210 pound Snatch, as many reps as possible

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    Oh god.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Using kipping pullups for work capacity purposes is like using a stapler for a roof.
    This statement should be immortalized.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Oh god.
    Should be called "Workload of the Day"
    This is a recipe for disaster.

  23. Crossfit is a trendy way to workout. It gives the fitness industry something to sell. I've done it and found the training (if you can call it that) to be catabolic with no strategic stimulus for growth. This is a bodybuilding forum, so my criticisms are based on its abilities to promote the body in that manner. Jumping up and down on one foot on a bosu ball while doing a curl is a parlor trick and nothing more

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Crossfit is a trendy way to workout. It gives the fitness industry something to sell. I've done it and found the training (if you can call it that) to be catabolic with no strategic stimulus for growth. This is a bodybuilding forum, so my criticisms are based on its abilities to promote the body in that manner. Jumping up and down on one foot on a bosu ball while doing a curl is a parlor trick and nothing more
    Now, if you were jumping up and down on a bosu ball while doing a curl in the squat rack, that would be epic.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post
    Now, if you were jumping up and down on a bosu ball while doing a curl in the squat rack, that would be epic.
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