90-100 sets a week too much volume?

  1. New Member
    justdoit40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    34
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    47.38%

    90-100 sets a week too much volume?


    For a natty high energy teen with a year experience would 90-100 sets total a week be way too much? 40-45 for legs and 45-55 for upper body? Prob 25-35 of them are iso if it helps

  2. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40
    For a natty high energy teen with a year experience would 90-100 sets total a week be way too much? 40-45 for legs and 45-55 for upper body? Prob 25-35 of them are iso if it helps
    In a word, yes that's too much. Pick a proven program, don't just throw a bunch of crap in and call it training.

    Even though you have a year under your belt, your still a novice. Pick up Rippetoe's book Starting Strength. You'll make good gains on it for at least 6 months before having to move on to an intermediate program.

    This goes for your 'should I cut even though a stiff breeze would blow me over' thread also:

    You're at a time in your life where you will get the most benefit from both your training and nutrition. Take advantage of it. Train and eat, eat and train. But do it smart, pick a proven program and follow it to the letter.

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  3. Advanced Member
    boogyman's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  184 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    736
    Rep Power
    35039
    Level
    22
    Lv. Percent
    68.69%

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    In a word, yes that's too much. Pick a proven program, don't just throw a bunch of crap in and call it training.

    Even though you have a year under your belt, your still a novice. Pick up Rippetoe's book Starting Strength. You'll make good gains on it for at least 6 months before having to move on to an intermediate program.

    This goes for your 'should I cut even though a stiff breeze would blow me over' thread also:

    You're at a time in your life where you will get the most benefit from both your training and nutrition. Take advantage of it. Train and eat, eat and train. But do it smart, pick a proven program and follow it to the letter.

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
    agreed. Also, don't be offended by aggressive answers to any questions. Tons of people ask advice, and when given good advice ignore it. There are lots of knowledgeable people on this board (napalm, zir red, rodja, among others) with lots of experience. Use that if its given.

    I think at you age you should basically eat big and lift for strength. The base strength you gain now will serve you well your entire life whatever your future goals are. Squat, deads, bench, overhead press and barbell rows with dips and pullups are your best tools. Learn your weaknesses and use some accessory lifts to help correct them. Read and continue to ask questions.
    •   
       

  4. New Member
    PROness's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    182
    Rep Power
    1917
    Level
    13
    Lv. Percent
    68.59%

    It's hard to say for sure. If you can give us your experience level with weightlifting we could make an educated guess. Also it would be helpful if we knew what your goal was, as well.
  5. Senior Member
    OnionKnight's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  208 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    2,390
    Rep Power
    466001
    Level
    44
    Lv. Percent
    18.47%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    i would agree with napalm and say yes. but at the same time, ive done layne nortons phat routine for 5 months at one point, and thats about 100 sets a week or so. point is, its still a well balanced routine, where a custom made on usually isnt
  6. New Member
    PROness's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    182
    Rep Power
    1917
    Level
    13
    Lv. Percent
    68.59%

    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    i would agree with napalm and say yes. but at the same time, ive done layne nortons phat routine for 5 months at one point, and thats about 100 sets a week or so. point is, its still a well balanced routine, where a custom made on usually isnt
    When I first started lifting for mass at age 18 I was performing anywhere from 150-180 sets per week when bulking using the push/pull/legs split. Add in some super/tri/giant sets and it's a piece of cake. Of course I was force fed weightlifting from a young age so maybe that's how I can tolerate it.
  7. Board Sponsor
    Rodja's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    30
    Posts
    23,716
    Rep Power
    1317319
    Level
    94
    Lv. Percent
    28.32%
    Achievements Activity RoyaltyActivity VeteranActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Most of it is probably mindless and excessive volume. Including warm up sets, I don't even begin to approach that much volume and I have to work up to a much higher weight than you.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys
    Performax Labs Product Specialist

  8. New Member
    justdoit40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    34
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    47.38%

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    In a word, yes that's too much. Pick a proven program, don't just throw a bunch of crap in and call it training.

    Even though you have a year under your belt, your still a novice. Pick up Rippetoe's book Starting Strength. You'll make good gains on it for at least 6 months before having to move on to an intermediate program.

    This goes for your 'should I cut even though a stiff breeze would blow me over' thread also:

    You're at a time in your life where you will get the most benefit from both your training and nutrition. Take advantage of it. Train and eat, eat and train. But do it smart, pick a proven program and follow it to the letter.

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
    I have done ss for 4 months gained alot of strength. Yes i wanna be huge when i'm older. And i know it takes time. But until then why should i suffer looking fat?
  9. Board Sponsor
    Rodja's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    30
    Posts
    23,716
    Rep Power
    1317319
    Level
    94
    Lv. Percent
    28.32%
    Achievements Activity RoyaltyActivity VeteranActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40 View Post
    I have done ss for 4 months gained alot of strength. Yes i wanna be huge when i'm older. And i know it takes time. But until then why should i suffer looking fat?
    You're skinny-fat. Take care of the skinny part and it will change the perception of the fat.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys
    Performax Labs Product Specialist

  10. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    You're skinny-fat. Take care of the skinny part and it will change the perception of the fat.
    This, and your not fat by any stretch...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  11. New Member
    justdoit40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    34
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    47.38%

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    This, and your not fat by any stretch...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
    My original plan was bulk till fat cut till lean bulk till fat etc etc i originally wanted go get to 180 first before cutting should i do that?
  12. Board Sponsor
    Rodja's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    30
    Posts
    23,716
    Rep Power
    1317319
    Level
    94
    Lv. Percent
    28.32%
    Achievements Activity RoyaltyActivity VeteranActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40 View Post
    My original plan was bulk till fat cut till lean bulk till fat etc etc i originally wanted go get to 180 first before cutting should i do that?
    The problem with that is each of those goals are subjective and ambiguous. Goals need to be measurable in order for you to make a quantifiable assessment. Using terms like "fat" or "lean" doesn't give you a concise goal that allow you to measure your progress. Decide on some tangible goals that be taken at certain intervals to assess whether or not you need to change diet, training, etc.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys
    Performax Labs Product Specialist

  13. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40

    My original plan was bulk till fat cut till lean bulk till fat etc etc i originally wanted go get to 180 first before cutting should i do that?
    The roller coaster ride is unnecessary . If you eat clean, eat a lot, train hard and get adequate recovery the rest will take care of itself.

    What concerns me more is that you have completely ignored the "proven program" suggestion. This is extremely important.

    Don't try to do it on your own, learn from what others have gone through...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  14. New Member
    justdoit40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    34
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    47.38%

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    The roller coaster ride is unnecessary . If you eat clean, eat a lot, train hard and get adequate recovery the rest will take care of itself.

    What concerns me more is that you have completely ignored the "proven program" suggestion. This is extremely important.

    Don't try to do it on your own, learn from what others have gone through...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
    I have done proven programs. I have done ss and then moved into 5,3,1 and then into a push/pull/legs. and now i feel i can try something myself. I'm a teenager. I wanna look as best as possible right now. The problem with these "proven" programs is they have minimal flexibility. What if i feel that an exercise doesn't work for me. I understand those programs are proven and have worked very well for many people. But everyone is different. I feel that what might work for someone wont work for someone else. And also what if i have an injury of some sort where i can't do push presses , etc then those programs aren't at full effect and you need to moderate the program therefore it is no longer the "proven" program it once was. Just my opinion.
  15. Board Sponsor
    Rodja's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    30
    Posts
    23,716
    Rep Power
    1317319
    Level
    94
    Lv. Percent
    28.32%
    Achievements Activity RoyaltyActivity VeteranActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40 View Post
    I have done proven programs. I have done ss and then moved into 5,3,1 and then into a push/pull/legs. and now i feel i can try something myself. I'm a teenager. I wanna look as best as possible right now. The problem with these "proven" programs is they have minimal flexibility. What if i feel that an exercise doesn't work for me. I understand those programs are proven and have worked very well for many people. But everyone is different. I feel that what might work for someone wont work for someone else. And also what if i have an injury of some sort where i can't do push presses , etc then those programs aren't at full effect and you need to moderate the program therefore it is no longer the "proven" program it once was. Just my opinion.
    At 16, I can tell you for a fact that you don't have the experience base to truly make educated opinions regarding training. You're too young to have any clue as to what does or does not work for you.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys
    Performax Labs Product Specialist

  16. Advanced Member
    boogyman's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  184 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    736
    Rep Power
    35039
    Level
    22
    Lv. Percent
    68.69%

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40 View Post

    I have done proven programs. I have done ss and then moved into 5,3,1 and then into a push/pull/legs. and now i feel i can try something myself. I'm a teenager. I wanna look as best as possible right now. The problem with these "proven" programs is they have minimal flexibility. What if i feel that an exercise doesn't work for me. I understand those programs are proven and have worked very well for many people. But everyone is different. I feel that what might work for someone wont work for someone else. And also what if i have an injury of some sort where i can't do push presses , etc then those programs aren't at full effect and you need to moderate the program therefore it is no longer the "proven" program it once was. Just my opinion.
    5-3-1 is extremely flexible, thats one of its most attractive features. And squats, dead, benching and standing presses work for EVERYONE.
  17. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40

    I have done proven programs. I have done ss and then moved into 5,3,1
    How long did you run each of them?

    how much body weight did you gain on SS?

    How much did your squat go up on SS?

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  18. New Member
    justdoit40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    34
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    47.38%

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    How long did you run each of them?

    how much body weight did you gain on SS?

    How much did your squat go up on SS?
    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
    Ss 4 months 10 lb increase
    Squat went from 155x5 to 225x5 now squatting 265x3
  19. Advanced Member
    boogyman's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  184 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    736
    Rep Power
    35039
    Level
    22
    Lv. Percent
    68.69%

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40 View Post

    Ss 4 months 10 lb increase
    Squat went from 155x5 to 225x5 now squatting 265x3
    Those are solid gains.
  20. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40

    Ss 4 months 10 lb increase
    Squat went from 155x5 to 225x5 now squatting 265x3
    Caloric excess is a repeating theme in SS. With only a 10 lb gain, you weren't eating enough.

    Please post a vid of your squat so we can take a look at it, my spidey senses are going off.

    If your form is solid, I'd recommend 531 for all it's worth, reset, rinse and repeat

    In theory, you could run 531 until you're 18. By then you should have gained enough muscular body weight to have a solid base. Then you can reevaluate based on your goals...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  21. New Member
    justdoit40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    34
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    47.38%

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    Caloric excess is a repeating theme in SS. With only a 10 lb gain, you weren't eating enough.

    Please post a vid of your squat so we can take a look at it, my spidey senses are going off.

    If your form is solid, I'd recommend 531 for all it's worth, reset, rinse and repeat

    In theory, you could run 531 until you're 18. By then you should have gained enough muscular body weight to have a solid base. Then you can reevaluate based on your goals...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
    300 calories over maintenance. Gained hardly any fat? 2.5 lbs of muscle a month? With hardly any fat gains? I'm sorry was i doing something wrong? I prob coulda kept running it and seeing more and more gains but that is my own mistake i can fess up to. I started 5/3/1. Way too confusing for me just being honest.
  22. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by justdoit40

    300 calories over maintenance. Gained hardly any fat? 2.5 lbs of muscle a month? With hardly any fat gains? I'm sorry was i doing something wrong? I prob coulda kept running it and seeing more and more gains but that is my own mistake i can fess up to. I started 5/3/1. Way too confusing for me just being honest.
    There's really no reason to stop SS if you're making gains at this point. Run it till it stops working and then transition to 531. I ran 8 cycles of 531 before I reset.

    If you take your weight and multiply it by 22 you get about 3200 cals. That's what you should be shooting for. You WILL get bigger and stronger getting that many cals and following a good program to the letter.

    Proper nutrition is fundamental to gains...

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  23. Professional Member
    napalm's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  202 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Age
    50
    Posts
    4,267
    Rep Power
    438357
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    93.61%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    And post a vid of your squat

    Sent from my iPhone using Am.com
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. how much volume is too much volume?a german volume training
    By Dirty music in forum Training Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-26-2011, 07:24 PM
  2. 50mg/Day Epistane for 6 weeks too much?
    By 808Warrior in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 12-24-2010, 08:35 PM
  3. How much is too much volume?
    By spatch in forum Exercise Science
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: 04-19-2006, 12:59 PM
  4. Deadlifts... Once a week too much?
    By hypo in forum Exercise Science
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 07-24-2004, 07:45 PM
  5. 8 week cycle 4ad trans 500mg too long? too much?
    By Yimen E.Cricket in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-07-2004, 07:59 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in