Needing advice

[Rush8780]

I'm a very experienced lifter been doing it for years and making great gains. Here lately I have hit a stump in my training. I'm currently in a bulking program taking it 4000 to 4200 calories a day. My workouts are intense and spot on, I train Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday- Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday are my cardio days, I do things like jog or box on a heavy bag. Like I Said I'm bulkin right now at 4200 calories a day, but recently I've been LOSING weight??? Wtf?? I eat very clean every 2-3 hours with only one cheat meal a week usually on Saturday night. Any advice or comments? Thanks

[jimbuick]

I'm a very experienced lifter been doing it for years and making great gains. Here lately I have hit a stump in my training. I'm currently in a bulking program taking it 4000 to 4200 calories a day. My workouts are intense and spot on, I train Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday- Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday are my cardio days, I do things like jog or box on a heavy bag. Like I Said I'm bulkin right now at 4200 calories a day, but recently I've been LOSING weight??? Wtf?? I eat very clean every 2-3 hours with only one cheat meal a week usually on Saturday night. Any advice or comments? Thanks

If you're losing weight then you need to eat even more than you have been. Try bumping to 4500 and see how that goes.

[Rush8780]

Yeah bro I thought about that, just wanna gain a minimum body fat. Right now I'm about 220 bout 11% body fat

[PROness]

1) Take out the cardio. All of it.

2) Eat more... I'm 230 pushing 6-7.5k cal. a day

You're going to gain a little body fat on a bulk... There's a time and place for cardio and its not ever during a bulk if you want to maximize gains in the shortest time possible.

[Rush8780]

So no cardio at all? Ramp up calories?

[jimbuick]

So no cardio at all? Ramp up calories?

You can still do cardio but you have to compensate by eating more.

[asooneyeonig]

bulking on 4,000? i think thats your problem. eat more. a lot more. add in a lot of fat to your diet. that is an easy way to get in lots of calories in a very small source.

[Jiigzz]

Don't cut cardio, just eat more. As already stated. You will gain mass when eating in excess, so if you losing weight; your not in excess. Simple. I bulk on 5-6k calories because of the intense nature of my Lifting, HIIT days + daily mimimal exertion cardio.

[PROness]

Anything under 5000 no matter what your weight is a cut and cardio is counter productive to mass.

Cutting out aerobic cardio is like cutting out the middle man when it comes to mass. If you run you're burning valuable calories that could be attributed to weight gain. Now if you're recomping then that's a different story. Just seems like taking two steps forward and one step back to me when you could be taking three forward.

[AaronJP1]

Anything under 5000 no matter what your weight is a cut and cardio is counter productive to mass.

Cutting out aerobic cardio is like cutting out the middle man when it comes to mass. If you run you're burning valuable calories that could be attributed to weight gain. Now if you're recomping then that's a different story. Just seems like taking two steps forward and one step back to me when you could be taking three forward.

[jimbuick]

Anything under 5000 no matter what your weight is a cut and cardio is counter productive to mass.

Cutting out aerobic cardio is like cutting out the middle man when it comes to mass. If you run you're burning valuable calories that could be attributed to weight gain. Now if you're recomping then that's a different story. Just seems like taking two steps forward and one step back to me when you could be taking three forward.

That is incredibly biased. Very little of that is worth anything IME. Why would I, at ~165, need 5000 Cal's unless I wanted to look like anything but a fat guy?

Also on the point of cardio during bulking you should do a little more research.

Cardio for caloric burn is indeed a waste on a bulk. Cardio for muscular endurance/type II fiber recruitment (HIIT) or simply cardio to boost cardiovascular function with intent of translating into improved breathing while weightlifting (i.e. squats, lunges, deadlifts) can be beneficial. Again, re-read my posts on the previous page. Supplements that affect the thyroid or induce caloric burn are a waste on a bulk, but those that act through anti-obesogenic mechanisms (i.e. raspberry ketones, TTA, 7-keto) may be beneficial.

In fact, the aforementioned compounds are what truly partition calories to muscle vs adipose. GDAs are generally non-discriminatory and are simply worthwhile as overall health aids.

I know you said "most" fat burners, and this post isn't intended to be critical, so don't take it that way . Just more info because I'm stimmed up and ambitious today

Are you training for an endurance event or for physique purposes [rhetorical]?

Sprinting will do a number of things for you, besides improving cardiovascular conditioning burning a few extra calories.
1. Will increase anaerobic enzymes. Hence, you'll be better able to utilize CHO for high intensity work.
2. Increase glycogen synthase activity and density. Hence, more of the CHO you consume will be stored as glycogen.
3. Increase beta-oxidation enzymes. Hence, you will be more efficient at using fat for fuel.
4. Train the type II fibers of the lower body, as well as place more stress upon the global core (abs, obliques, etc.).

1-3 will improve nutrient partitioning. In other words, more of what you eat will go towards muscle vs. fat. All this from 2-3 sessions of 6-10 sprints per session.

Br

Cardio is not just for caloric expenditure.

[AaronJP1]

Reds post was legit!
HIIT cardio has lots of benefits.

[Jiigzz]

+10 to that. HIIT on a bulk should be a must. LISS should only be pursued (imo) if you desire for aerobic endurance capacity. I find LISS enjoyable, so I do it knowing full well it will not attribute to my goals on a bulk.

[Rush8780]

Well I'll ramp up my calories up higher to atleast 5000. For my cardio I do heavy bag workouts which is a great form of HIIT training. I just don't wanna get to high with the calories and gain fat, more like a high calorie clean bulk

[PROness]

There's so many cardio nazis in here I thought I was a planet fitness for a second... Now where are those smith machines and 60lb dum bells at...

[AaronJP1]

There's so many cardio nazis in here I thought I was a planet fitness for a second... Now where are those smith machines and 60lb dum bells at...

You are @ Planet fitness then.

[PROness]

ORLY?

[jimbuick]

Double.

[jimbuick]

There's so many cardio nazis in here I thought I was a planet fitness for a second... Now where are those smith machines and 60lb dum bells at...

You are ignorant. Plain and simple. You give extremely outdated and incorrect information and then when you are confronted with reputable information you shun it. There is no reason to abstain from cardio during a bulk and for most there is no reason to eat 5000+ a day unless you intend to gain more fat than muscle.

[JD261985]

You are ignorant. Plain and simple. You give extremely outdated and incorrect information and then when you are confronted with reputable information you shun it. There is no reason to abstain from cardio during a bulk and for most there is no reason to eat 5000+ a day unless you intend to gain more fat than muscle.

Common sense and so ****ing true