- 10-29-2012, 01:37 PM
I'm a very experienced lifter been doing it for years and making great gains. Here lately I have hit a stump in my training. I'm currently in a bulking program taking it 4000 to 4200 calories a day. My workouts are intense and spot on, I train Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday- Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday are my cardio days, I do things like jog or box on a heavy bag. Like I Said I'm bulkin right now at 4200 calories a day, but recently I've been LOSING weight??? Wtf?? I eat very clean every 2-3 hours with only one cheat meal a week usually on Saturday night. Any advice or comments? Thanks
- 10-29-2012, 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Rush8780
- 10-29-2012, 02:59 PM
Yeah bro I thought about that, just wanna gain a minimum body fat. Right now I'm about 220 bout 11% body fat
10-29-2012, 11:50 PM
1) Take out the cardio. All of it.
2) Eat more... I'm 230 pushing 6-7.5k cal. a day
You're going to gain a little body fat on a bulk... There's a time and place for cardio and its not ever during a bulk if you want to maximize gains in the shortest time possible.
10-30-2012, 09:34 AM
So no cardio at all? Ramp up calories?
10-30-2012, 09:40 AM
You can still do cardio but you have to compensate by eating more.Originally Posted by Rush8780
10-30-2012, 04:29 PM
bulking on 4,000? i think thats your problem. eat more. a lot more. add in a lot of fat to your diet. that is an easy way to get in lots of calories in a very small source.
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
10-31-2012, 04:12 AM
Don't cut cardio, just eat more. As already stated. You will gain mass when eating in excess, so if you losing weight; your not in excess. Simple. I bulk on 5-6k calories because of the intense nature of my Lifting, HIIT days + daily mimimal exertion cardio.
10-31-2012, 08:26 PM
Anything under 5000 no matter what your weight is a cut and cardio is counter productive to mass.
Cutting out aerobic cardio is like cutting out the middle man when it comes to mass. If you run you're burning valuable calories that could be attributed to weight gain. Now if you're recomping then that's a different story. Just seems like taking two steps forward and one step back to me when you could be taking three forward.
10-31-2012, 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by PROness
10-31-2012, 08:56 PM
That is incredibly biased. Very little of that is worth anything IME. Why would I, at ~165, need 5000 Cal's unless I wanted to look like anything but a fat guy?Originally Posted by PROness
Also on the point of cardio during bulking you should do a little more research.
Originally Posted by mr.cooper69Cardio is not just for caloric expenditure.Originally Posted by ZiR RED
10-31-2012, 09:42 PM
Reds post was legit!
HIIT cardio has lots of benefits.
10-31-2012, 11:11 PM
+10 to that. HIIT on a bulk should be a must. LISS should only be pursued (imo) if you desire for aerobic endurance capacity. I find LISS enjoyable, so I do it knowing full well it will not attribute to my goals on a bulk.
11-01-2012, 08:01 PM
Well I'll ramp up my calories up higher to atleast 5000. For my cardio I do heavy bag workouts which is a great form of HIIT training. I just don't wanna get to high with the calories and gain fat, more like a high calorie clean bulk
11-01-2012, 08:05 PM
There's so many cardio nazis in here I thought I was a planet fitness for a second... Now where are those smith machines and 60lb dum bells at...
11-01-2012, 08:06 PM
You are @ Planet fitness then.Originally Posted by PROness
11-01-2012, 08:15 PM
11-01-2012, 08:38 PM
11-01-2012, 08:39 PM
You are ignorant. Plain and simple. You give extremely outdated and incorrect information and then when you are confronted with reputable information you shun it. There is no reason to abstain from cardio during a bulk and for most there is no reason to eat 5000+ a day unless you intend to gain more fat than muscle.Originally Posted by PROness
11-01-2012, 08:44 PM
Common sense and so ****ing trueOriginally Posted by jimbuick
11-01-2012, 08:46 PM
I'm in to strength training sweetheart. I do what works and at 250lbs I eat for a living. Once you get into 250 club with single digit body fat, get at me...
11-01-2012, 08:48 PM
Who's right here? ^
11-01-2012, 08:49 PM
At 165 lbs there jimmy boy I don't think you're qualified to tell anyone how to gain weight lol
11-01-2012, 08:51 PM
Lop that's cute that you think those points are any less valid because you claim to be 250 with <10%. (Doubtful). Also even if you were the person you are trying to advise does not weigh 250 and wouldn't need as much food as you, if you were indeed.Originally Posted by PROness
I also think it's cute that you try to know my situation. How often do you run distance, I would guess never, because I do of every morning as a part of the 82 ABN. I wouldn't be able to do my job if I weghed 250. So once again you prove how truly ignorant you are.
11-01-2012, 08:54 PM
Hey jimbuick... Once you look like this get at me but until then keep your mouth ****
11-01-2012, 08:58 PM
That's what you call single digit bf?Originally Posted by PROness
11-01-2012, 09:01 PM
This is pyrobatt. A well respected member of this forum.who.currently sits at approximately 12%
That's straight from his log. And you think you're at sub 10. Keep dreaming.
11-01-2012, 09:03 PM
Lol I'm going with ZiR Red and Mr.Cooper being right. :justsayin:Originally Posted by AaronJP1
11-01-2012, 09:06 PM
Yes sir at 250lbs. That's a ****ty angle here. One month into my cut. Should have took more pics but I got complacent. :/
11-01-2012, 09:29 PM
Do you honestly believe you have less fat than Pyro? Good try but no. Him at 220 with 12% gives ~26lbs of fat and you claiming to be 250 at 9 (giving you as close to ten as possible) with only 22lbs. You have no grasp of what sub 10% looks like. You are clearly nothing more than a troll, when confronted with real information from people much more qualified than yourself you attempt to use your size as a tool to make people believe your incorrect opinions. OP, myself, and most people on these boards do not need 5000+ a day unless they want to look more like this:Originally Posted by PROness
And I assume that most here want the latter. Also I feel I must point out that the two quotes I provided are from people much more experienced than I, and much more knowledgeable than both of us. I'll cut you some slack cuz you're new here and don't know who knows what, but spend a little time learning so you can start giving informed advice instead of musclemags from the 80's.
One day you'll learn that not everyone has the same goals when it comes to exercise.
11-01-2012, 09:33 PM
PROness, you are a big boy but I think you need to reassess your BF% slightly and like the well educated members who were quoted on here stated...cardio always has a place in your fitness goals. I myself am sitting at about 225 right now and nowhere near single digits and my pic looks a bit better than yours...and I'm 53.
Always open light. It’s not what you open with, it’s what you finish with. Louie Simmons
11-01-2012, 09:46 PM
Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
I will give ProNess credit though, being 200 & having a glimmer of abs... It ain't all bad...
ProNess is doing something right.
11-01-2012, 09:53 PM
I agree, but just because he needs that amount does not mean he should advise others who weigh less to eat that much.Originally Posted by AaronJP1
And the cardio comments were just plain ridiculous, cardio is so much more than just a caloric expenditure and I can't personally fathom why someone who was presented with so much information showing the positives of cardio while bulking would still fight so adamantly against it.
11-01-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm so down for cardio.Originally Posted by jimbuick
When testing to be a policeman, I wish I was doing cardio since I was 15 haha!
11-01-2012, 10:04 PM
I despise LISS but its mandatory for my particular career choice. HIIT on the other hand is a dear friend, especially with the Prowler.Originally Posted by AaronJP1
11-01-2012, 11:30 PM
LOL. This thread is gold.
11-02-2012, 08:25 AM
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
11-02-2012, 11:42 AM
11-02-2012, 02:10 PM
there are only short articles that elude to what to do online. there is a lot in the book that you will not find online. an this is not a short term diet, it is a life long nutritional plan so it is worth that small amount to be leaner and stronger for the rest of your life.
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
11-02-2012, 02:34 PM
If the answer is recently, your weight will fluctuate based on several factors.
If its been consistent then you are either not eating enough or having digestive/absorptive issues.
If its been consistent, and your foods have not changed (i.e.: are you trying to consume a gallon of milk per day out of nowhere), then increase food intake and reduce the DURATION of your cardio. You can maintain or even increase intensity, but reduce the duration. This will maintain cardiovascular/anaerobic conditioning while reducing overall caloric expenditure, and more importantly, reducing activation and expression of energy-conserving enzymes and genes (such as AMPK).
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