ive hit the plateau....HELP!!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by themondtster

    I found them for around 15 to 20 a piece. Anatomy book on Amazon and Coach Poliquin at Netnutritioncom. The Poliquin principles Im not sure cause I got it from a friend, but I think it is on Amazon also.
    appreciate it


  2. Block Periodization by Issurin. Pricey, but worth it.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. What have you plateaud in? Weight gain? Strength? You're not really telling much here, and then saying you're too lazy to post your routine up, and you want a magic answer? Too funny

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump
    What have you plateaud in? Weight gain? Strength? You're not really telling much here, and then saying you're too lazy to post your routine up, and you want a magic answer? Too funny
    is there a way to put e**** spread sheets or word documents on here or a link to them?? I've plateaued in strength...

    my last 1rms in the following categories were:
    bench - 280
    squat - 405
    power clean - 245
    dead lift - 405

    when I maxed this week I got
    bench- failed 285
    squat - failed 415
    power clean - 280
    dead lift - didn't max

    I weigh 175lbs so I'm moving pretty good weight but I expected so much more

  5. yes, you can add it as an attachment I think...but not sure. May need to host it somewhere and then link to it.

    Hrm, well, if you're looking to throw more weight around, you should stick to a tried and true program like 5/3/1, etc. With 5/3/1, you WILL gain strength without a doubt. You can also do bodybuilding assistance work.

    But honestly, I would aim to do a lot more volume and gain some more weight. I bet your numbers will go to the next level after.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump
    yes, you can add it as an attachment I think...but not sure. May need to host it somewhere and then link to it.

    Hrm, well, if you're looking to throw more weight around, you should stick to a tried and true program like 5/3/1, etc. With 5/3/1, you WILL gain strength without a doubt. You can also do bodybuilding assistance work.

    But honestly, I would aim to do a lot more volume and gain some more weight. I bet your numbers will go to the next level after.
    what would you suggest for volume then? I am trying to get my workouts up but it's kickin my a**

  7. Check this out, specifically some of the article kabuki writes.

    A fun Video and a Short article

    Br

  8. Great article and nice vid.

    Volume work itself, is fairly easy relatively speaking. It's just lower weight at higher reps than what you're training at now. It may be very beneficial for you to try this. It will give you a chance to deload, while also building more mass and also allowing you to focus on weaker areas via adding in more isolation work as well.

    I think you really need to rethink your program at this point. Periodization is key to any successful program.

  9. So what are you guys recommending? 3-5 Weeks of goal specific training, a week of unloading, then another few weeks?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by MusclestoGo View Post
    So what are you guys recommending? 3-5 Weeks of goal specific training, a week of unloading, then another few weeks?
    The time between deloading (if needed at all) depends on the actual training. If you're constantly training >90% of your 1RM, then you'll need it more than if you're doing a BB'ing template.
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  11. Gotchya, i'm following a BB routine that i made, every week i increase every set with 1 rep for about 5 weeks, then i start over with higher weight. After that i move to another routine, does that sound legit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the gym rat View Post
    is there a way to put e**** spread sheets or word documents on here or a link to them??
    Yes.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    Life is a terminal condition.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    Yes.
    how??

    and for anyone else whose following this an helping me out here's what I'm thinking about doing today

    chest:: bb bench 3*20, xreps 3*5, DB floor press 3*20, pull ups *200, core *100

  14. 3 weeks? Speaking for myself, that's not long enough for my body to even get into a rhythm. If I were to guess (been doing this for 35 years now) you are not giving your body enough time to get into the routine - let alone plateau.

    I work in quarterly cycles – alternating strength and “recovery” cycles by body area and compound lift. An example everyone should be able to relate to is for upper body pressing movements – six months of the year (2 3-month cycles) I bench heavy. Say Jan-March and Jul-Sept. I only bench and do no triceps/frontal delt/chest isolation movements. NONE. The other 2 3-month cycles I do not bench. NO BENCH. Only “bodybuilding” isolation movements on the chest/frontal delts/triceps. But it takes 13 weeks to complete a cycle.

    I’ve only experienced plateaus when I push beyond the 13 weeks. I tried a 6-month bench run a few years back and I peaked at 5 – and ended up under a knife to fuse three vertebrae (a la Peyton Manning).

    Three weeks is not enough time to get into a groove, my friend. Just my opinion. Hope this helps?

  15. Yea, i agree with Patterson.. i would lengthen your cycles and get a set routine, then each week you need top increase the volume of your workout, every week i increase my reps for every set by 1 and i do that for 5 or 6 weeks, then change it up. And may i ask why your reps are so high? You trying to bulk right? If so, reps should be around 8-12. Also, you may want to add a few sets to your routine, from what i can see by your workout, 16 sets for major muscles is probably most apt.

    BTW to attach a doc all you have to do is click the paperclip at the bottom, then find it in your documents and hit choose.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MusclestoGo View Post
    Gotchya, i'm following a BB routine that i made, every week i increase every set with 1 rep for about 5 weeks, then i start over with higher weight. After that i move to another routine, does that sound legit?
    Unless you start really light, this method does not work. The CNS, which is the main source of strength, does no operate in that fashion. After about 3 weeks, your performance will start to diminish with this kind of template. If you're going to do something similar to this, you'll want to change the main lift every 1-2 weeks. For example, week 1 is full-range bench press, week 2 is floor press, week 3 is board presses and then repeat. The goal is to work up max out every week, but do not expect to set a new PR each time. Some days, you'll be able to only get 92% of your 1RM and this is perfectly fine.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Unless you start really light, this method does not work. The CNS, which is the main source of strength, does no operate in that fashion. After about 3 weeks, your performance will start to diminish with this kind of template. If you're going to do something similar to this, you'll want to change the main lift every 1-2 weeks. For example, week 1 is full-range bench press, week 2 is floor press, week 3 is board presses and then repeat. The goal is to work up max out every week, but do not expect to set a new PR each time. Some days, you'll be able to only get 92% of your 1RM and this is perfectly fine.
    Hm, so your saying i should have a 3 week cycle of separate lifts, then repeat. And evrytime i come back to each workout i want my max to improve?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by MusclestoGo View Post
    Hm, so your saying i should have a 3 week cycle of separate lifts, then repeat. And evrytime i come back to each workout i want my max to improve?
    Ideally, but you have to address your weak points with your assistance lifts and your dynamic training. FYI, this method is called the conjugate method and there is tons of information about it on the internet.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  19. Ok thankyou, i'll definitely look it up.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Unless you start really light, this method does not work. The CNS, which is the main source of strength, does no operate in that fashion. After about 3 weeks, your performance will start to diminish with this kind of template. If you're going to do something similar to this, you'll want to change the main lift every 1-2 weeks. For example, week 1 is full-range bench press, week 2 is floor press, week 3 is board presses and then repeat. The goal is to work up max out every week, but do not expect to set a new PR each time. Some days, you'll be able to only get 92% of your 1RM and this is perfectly fine.
    Man! You lost me... But given the bundle of three letters as your credentials I expect you know what you're talking about.

    I don't follow the switching of the main lift. But I have 21 years on you which means I learned all this stuff - well - right about when you were born. Not a knock on you - just saying I may be a bit of a dinosaur...

    When approaching getting bigger/stronger, I've found there's only one way. Lift heavy weights. When I'm going heavy (2 13-week cycles per year), I start with 5 progressively heavy warm-ups - starting from just the bar to my starting-weight-less-90lbs. No formal timing between warm-ups. Then 5 sets of 3 at a single weight with 6 minutes between sets. I’ll grab what I want to do today:

    1.) 3 X 460
    2.) 3 X 460
    3.) 3 X 460
    4.) 3 X 460
    5.) 3 X 460

    This is what I WANT to do this afternoon. If I get at least 3 sets of three at a given weight, I add 10lbs to the next workout. I work with a weight until I get to at least three sets of three. This is heavy bench on Monday.

    Friday is 25 sets of 3 reps (throws) at 50% of my calculated 1RM with 1 minute between sets.
    Again – when I do this cycle, I ONLY DO THE BENCH. Sure, I have legs days and back days. But on upper body pressing, when going for power/strength all I do is bench.

    I’m working my way back up after neck surgery (as said same thing Peyton Manning had done) last August. Doc says it’ll take another 17 months to gt back where I was, but it’s coming along…

  21. Most of your knowledge sounds like western style training, but the recommendations I made are based upon the conjugate method, which is the method primarily used by Eastern Bloc countries.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  22. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Most of your knowledge sounds like western style training, but the recommendations I made are based upon the conjugate method, which is the method primarily used by Eastern Bloc countries.
    Cool - something new to google! Thx

  23. LMAO... Conjugate training is what I do for the other 2 3-month cycles. I just never know that's what it is called. Ya' learn something new...

  24. alright anyone trying to help me this might help clear the fog a little bit...i hope
    This is a routine my strength coach gave to me who is a licensed strength coach and physical therapist as well so i just go off of what he tells me baucause he knows a lot more then i do....
    I like getting peoples different opinions so this is completly up for criticism!!

    3 Week Template

    Week 1- 3x20-25 Week 2- 3x15-20 Week 3- 3x5-10

    Monday (chest)
    • BB Bench
    • DB Floor Press
    • BB X Reps
    Tuesday (Back)
    • Wide Lat-Pull Downs
    • BB Bent Over Rows
    • Shrugs
    • Back Extensions
    Wednesday (Shoulders)
    • DB Shoulder Press
    • Arnold Press
    • Front Raises
    • Side Raises
    Thursday (Arms)
    • EZB Preacher Curls
    • DB Hammer
    • EZB Reverse Curls
    • DB Kick Backs
    • Cable Push Downs
    • Dips
    Friday (legs)
    • Back Squats
    • Front Squats
    • Calf Raises

  25. That template doesn't make any sense. You should be aiming to train movements, not muscles. Also, it is severely imbalanced from an anterior and posterior perspective. There's no direct posterior delt, mid-trap, or glute/ham work.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  26. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    That template doesn't make any sense. You should be aiming to train movements, not muscles. Also, it is severely imbalanced from an anterior and posterior perspective. There's no direct posterior delt, mid-trap, or glute/ham work.
    so what do you think then? what would you recommend?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by the gym rat View Post
    so what do you think then? what would you recommend?
    Look into templates like Wendler's 5/3/1, Smith's Juggernaut Method, or even the conjugate method employed by Westside Barbell.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  28. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    Look into templates like Wendler's 5/3/1, Smith's Juggernaut Method, or even the conjugate method employed by Westside Barbell.
    I googled the 5/3/1 but I could not find any template with an actual lift by lift set up

  29. Quote Originally Posted by the gym rat View Post
    I googled the 5/3/1 but I could not find any template with an actual lift by lift set up
    http://www.**********************/wor...ng-system.html
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

  

  
 

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