Squats and Deads widen the waist???

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  1. Squats and Deads widen the waist???


    Ive read that doing heavy squats and Deadlifts will widen your midsection. I have a small frame and dont want to destroy any potential of receiving the "X" shaped physique.

    Any input would be greatly appreciated.


  2. No they will not.. My waist is still 28 inches after 2 years of bulking and heavy squats/dlifts
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  3. Possibly, but it depends on your "style" and also how much core work you do.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Possibly, but it depends on your "style" and also how much core work you do.
    Sure, it may add slightly more mass to your core, but your not going to get a drastic change in midsection width..

  5. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    Sure, it may add slightly more mass to your core, but your not going to get a drastic change in midsection width..
    Again, depends on how you implement them into your routine.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  6. I've seen a drastic change in my mid section from squats and deads. My abs are so thick that I never do direct ab work because I do not want to make them any larger. From age 16 I was 31"-32" inch.. Somewhere in between to age 27 I've grown to a 34". I don't even think I can get it back down to the 31" ever again. I'd litteraly have to force myself into catabolism. They work! Now genetics will play a role in how it develops though!
    “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"- John 6:68

    WHAT has science offered?

  7. it depends on gentics and frequency.. I use to deadlift and not squat and not do alot of ab work or no good mornings.. I still had a "bodybuilder" type body. I started squatting, doing ab work and back raises, good mornings, rack pulls etc. and now i got big thick abs when i sit down my abs stack ontop of each other like obeese peoples fat rolls would..

    It depends heavily on gentics. for example jim wendler lifts raw and blogs on elitefts.com he has the big waist and powerlifter look. Christan mello also powerlifts but has a bodybuilder type body because of genetics.

  8. Seems the jury is sitting middle of the road on this one. Ill hunt down the article and post it... Maybe those more knowledgeable than me will have a better opinion then.

  9. its heavy abs and obliques work.. so they will grow and if you don't usually train abs/obliques that much they will grow quickly. Then if you have such genetics they will get big or bulky. i wouldnt worry about it too much though, the lifts are well worht it

  10. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    No they will not.. My waist is still 28 inches after 2 years of bulking and heavy squats/dlifts
    Exactly. My waist is probably a 30 if not smaller, and I do deads and squats. I used to be a 34.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Exactly. My waist is probably a 30 if not smaller, and I do deads and squats. I used to be a 34.
    I know dude, you cant widen your core inches from squats and deads lol... If that were the case, Arny wouldnt have such a tiny waist in his prime.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    I know dude, you cant widen your core inches from squats and deads lol... If that were the case, Arny wouldnt have such a tiny waist in his prime.
    Arnold had a 34" waist, not exactly tiny. It does widen the midsection considerably when you are using heavy weights all the time. My abs, obliques and ES are humongous slabs of muscle now compared to when I did not squat or deadlift.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Blacktail View Post
    Arnold had a 34" waist, not exactly tiny. It does widen the midsection considerably when you are using heavy weights all the time. My abs, obliques and ES are humongous slabs of muscle now compared to when I did not squat or deadlift.
    I thought he had a 30-32 inch waist.

  14. It wasn't actually tiny, it just appeared tiny cuz he was so huge..
    Bench - 355
    Squat - 405
    Deadlift - 600

  15. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    I thought he had a 30-32 inch waist.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Measurements (Top Form)

    Height: 6 feet 2 inches
    Weight 235 pounds
    Chest: 57 inches *(World record, Guinness book of world records)
    Arms: 22 inches
    Waist: 34 inches
    Thighs: 28 ½ inches
    Calves: 20 inches
    Bench - 355
    Squat - 405
    Deadlift - 600

  16. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    I thought he had a 30-32 inch waist.
    Quote Originally Posted by bkoguy07 View Post
    It wasn't actually tiny, it just appeared tiny cuz he was so huge..
    This^.....his upper body was freakin massive..and from a front view he was actually kind of blocky..Frank Zane had 29" waist but was tiny in comparison...

    Now this guy, Brian Buchanan....has a tiny waist lol.

    http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...t:429,r:19,s:0

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Blacktail View Post
    This^.....his upper body was freakin massive..and from a front view he was actually kind of blocky..Frank Zane had 29" waist but was tiny in comparison...

    Now this guy, Brian Buchanan....has a tiny waist lol.

    http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...t:429,r:19,s:0


    lol photoshop niceeee
    Bench - 355
    Squat - 405
    Deadlift - 600

  18. I wouldn't be surprised if squats widen the waist. My waist grew pretty fast after starting heavy squats but then again I was doing no core or ab work with it and bulking. I'm a 34 right now.

    I think heavy squats + no core work + bulking = definitely wider waist IME. But not a fatter waist--just wider.

    Never done deads.

  19. One simple way to test it: Try it for 6 week. If you think, it makes you look wider. don't do it.

    It is as simple as that.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal View Post
    One simple way to test it: Try it for 6 week. If you think, it makes you look wider. don't do it.

    It is as simple as that.
    Ive been doing it for a couple years. My waist has stayed at 28 inches..

  21. I am talking about his waist. n=1 doesn't say much.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    Ive been doing it for a couple years. My waist has stayed at 28 inches..
    What type of weight are you doing for deads and squats? How often do you do them? Just curious.

    The more heavy lifting you do, when it comes to lifts like squats and deads and such, your 'trunk' will grow.....given that you are increasing the weight that you are doing.

    Look at a lot of PLers and strongmen. They core/trunk grows out of necessity. Now these are extreme examples cuz these guys are pushing some major weight. So if you are doing moderate amount of weight, then theres a chance that you're trunk area will not grow much. Once you start squatting in the 400's for reps, and DLing 500's for reps, your core/trunk area will be forced to grow.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by unc21 View Post
    What type of weight are you doing for deads and squats? How often do you do them? Just curious.

    The more heavy lifting you do, when it comes to lifts like squats and deads and such, your 'trunk' will grow.....given that you are increasing the weight that you are doing.

    Look at a lot of PLers and strongmen. They core/trunk grows out of necessity. Now these are extreme examples cuz these guys are pushing some major weight. So if you are doing moderate amount of weight, then theres a chance that you're trunk area will not grow much. Once you start squatting in the 400's for reps, and DLing 500's for reps, your core/trunk area will be forced to grow.
    I go heavy and increase the weight every week.

  24. Here is a good example fellas. I threw on a pair of jeans today that I haven't worn in 2 years. They're beat up jeans and I decided to use them for going out in the desert to shoot this morning. They were falling off my ass. Funny considering that I didn't start doing deads or squats until about 1.5 years ago because of back issues. Frankly, all my jeans are loose on me these days and I squat and dead like a raped ape.

  25. Stabilizing muscles along the midsection are prone to develop when doing exercises like squats, deadlifts, and other exercises involving core stability.

    As gamer2be has soapboxed, it's usually not going to be significant. But a single testimony can sometimes ingore a series of variables.

    If you are truly concerned about maintaining a certain shoulder-to-waist ratio, I would recommend using a lifting belt or smith machine. The thick leather material of the lifting belt eases core stability, by re-distributing the load onto your hips. Smith machines have virtually no lateral movement, so the work needed to maintain stability is taken by the rails which the bar runs along.

  26. How much muscle mass is along you wasitline? As long as your legs and upper torso get thicker i don't know why you would lose a small waist appearance, even if you did grow a little bit.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Killerkanadia View Post
    How much muscle mass is along you wasitline? As long as your legs and upper torso get thicker i don't know why you would lose a small waist appearance, even if you did grow a little bit.
    I don't think a Pear/Apple-shaped physique will ever be the issue. It's the ratios thing. Especially if the OP or reader with the same concern is in competition, extreme measures come into play.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    I go heavy and increase the weight every week.
    How heavy is the question lol. I have been doing them for over 15 years and move heavy weight...I used to have a 28 inch waist when I was just bodybuilding. Once the plates added up, so did the inches.

  29. They don't widen the waist enough for most people to worry about it. If you're deadlifting under...say... 400 or so, I wouldn't lose any sleep over this at all. The guys I've seen with thick waists from sq/dl are all pulling 6+ and eating like it matters.
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