ok so whenever i bench its like a pure shoulder exercise even when i pre exhaust the shoulder prior, wtf!! i can i bring out my chest and get some big ****ing pecs!! lay em out
Second that. Us DB instead of BB. The only drawback with DB is if you are working with heavier 'bells its often a bit of work just to get it in place, may take out a rep or two. On the other hand to lift it off the rack and walking to the bench means you end up doing a farmer's walk with emphasis on legs, traps and forearms so all's good I suppose.I am with Futurepilot on this one, seems when I bb bench, whether flat or incline, my shoulders hurt more than my chest. But when I do db, I get a more isolated workout that hits my chest more.
Yes.Off topic..... my lower back bothers me, can great (or even semi great) legs be achieved without squats?
Dont quit it man, dont quit it. Lower the weight I say.As for the bench, i like the points noted above. The key is keeping those shoulders back
...man I quit doing SLDLs, I find good mornings work em much better.
Good idea mate. Just make sure you have some time between the two days and you are not working out ancillary muscles like shoulders and triceps in between. Else they will get fatiqued.Thanks saurabh, I like that idea. That is sort of how I work my chest; I do flats on one day, and inclines on another day.
:good:<-- Love Good Mornings, one of the best exercises IMO.As for the bench, i like the points noted above. The key is keeping those shoulders back
...man I quit doing SLDLs, I find good mornings work em much better.
:good:<-- Love Good Mornings, one of the best exercises IMO.
First off if you pre exhaust your shoulders, you are going to involve them more in the movement because the motor neurons in your shoulder region are going to be sufficiently warmed up and will start firing first. Try these steps and see if it helps your form:You can try putting a piece of foam on your chest or a rolled up piece of carpet which will take a lot of stress off of your shoulders. If you are going solely for hypertrophy and don't need a bigger bench, use dumbbell's.
- Set your feet
- If you arch set up your arch
- Retract your shoulder blades until they are tight on the bench
- Grip the bar, the wider you grip the more chest you will involve
- Pull the bar out, don't press it out.
- Let the bar settle over you and sink your shoulder blades deeper
- Squeeze the bar hard throughout the entire movement and try to tear it apart
- Press to your upper abs/lower chest and begin to tuck your elbows as you come down.
- Keep your forearms and wrist perpendicular to the floor
- Press up making sure to keep everything tight
Really? Seemed like generic advice and won't do much to save King's shoulders and build his chest.Solid advice that will surely get you growing!
Really? Seemed like generic advice and won't do much to save King's shoulders and build his chest.
I liked futurepilot's picture though...that is helpful. :thumbsup:
King, the answer to your problem is here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/103142-partial-variable-roms.html
What? Are you kidding me bro? Why just the other day I saw King driving his 1973 AMC Gremlin to the gym... with the bumper sticker that reads What would Joe Weider do?...when he hasn't even mastered the basic form of a bench press.
No don't do that. Pick the method that puts the most force & load directly on the chest not the shoulders.Motor recruitment is fundamental. Use the chest, exhaust the chest, build muscle during your repair phase. Pick whatever method you would like.
What? Are you kidding me bro? Why just the other day I saw King driving his 1973 AMC Gremlin to the gym... with the bumper sticker that reads What would Joe Weider do? View attachment 23136
The man is textbook technique. Thats why his shoulder's are so messed up. View attachment 23135
No don't do that. Pick the method that puts the most force & load directly on the chest not the shoulders.
Really? Seemed like generic advice and won't do much to save King's shoulders and build his chest.
I liked futurepilot's picture though...that is helpful. :thumbsup:
King, the answer to your problem is here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/103142-partial-variable-roms.html
I don't accept your statement as phrased as absolute fact.Riddle me this. If bench press is so horrible for your shoulders... why is it used by every major professional sports organization to boost upper body strength, mass, and power?
Oh no you DIDN'T! Bro please tell me you didn't just lay out your strongest argument right there...If it didn't work.. it wouldn't exist.
Actually if you went to the thread I posted I do provide scientific studies that demonstrate that more power & load are generated with partial ROMs then full and that there is carryover in strength gains into the unworked ROMs.Now.. to clarify, I agree with you 100%. I'm not saying that bench press is the god of all chest exercises, but it certainly allows for an extremely heavy load to be placed upon the upper body.
Thousands of exercise scientists and professional athletes can't be wrong. New isn't always better.
Which SoCalare are you referring to. I tried looking up the post by username, but there are so many usernames with SoCal. I just want to read the article on the shoulder press. Thanks.I don't accept your statement as phrased as absolute fact.
Also understanding the concepts of constant muscular tension, ranges of motion, duration, load & power and applying them to presses that involve the chest is not the same thing as stating "don't do bench presses...they are horrible."
Do them...but do them properly.
Oh no you DIDN'T! Bro please tell me you didn't just lay out your strongest argument right there...
Actually if you went to the thread I posted I do provide scientific studies that demonstrate that more power & load are generated with partial ROMs then full and that there is carryover in strength gains into the unworked ROMs.
SoCal even posted a full article on shoulder stress and hand placement for the bench press wherein, among other things it recommends that the bar not go all the way down to the chest.
oops should have been SoCo4Fun.Which SoCalare are you referring to. I tried looking up the post by username, but there are so many usernames with SoCal. I just want to read the article on the shoulder press. Thanks.
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