7-Keto Spray Recall

[enzo123dog]

I just got an e mail from Taurus Nutrition of a 7-Keto Recall. Anybody know what is the reason for this.

 

[Aleksandar37]

It explains in the email doesn't it?

 

[enzo123dog]

there is no writing in the body of the e mail and the heading looks like this with no explanation of the recall

7-KE Spray Voluntary Recall‏

 

[808rebel]

there is no writing in the body of the e mail and the heading looks like this with no explanation of the recall

7-KE Spray Voluntary Recall‏

This is the body of the email:

For any of you following the controversy, it does appear that there is a very small amount of 5a-androstanediol in our 7-KE product (roughly 3% of the active ingredient). Even though we feel that this is probably a normal situation where our supplier did give us one of the materials with less than 95% purity, we still feel like the right thing to do is advise our customers and offer a refund. We strongly feel that this trace amount isn't enough to cause ANY physiological effect, but it's the right thing to do. Please discard your unused portion.


To answer every critic on the boards this stuff happens when you rely on Chinese suppliers and has happened to many companies in the past. I hope you treat Taurus the same way you've treated them. It's regrettable, but this stuff happens and we will in act even tougher testing protocols to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
If you wish to get a refund, please email:

[email protected] with your order number and name and we will issue you a check.

 

[enzo123dog]

I appreciate the integrity that you would let the consumer know.

 

[henryv]

I'll be accepting apologies in this thread from all the Taurus reps who gave me shit in it.

 

[Jorsn]

I'll be accepting apologies in this thread from all the Taurus reps who gave me shit in it.

After you apologize to HenryV you can go to this thread http://www.prohormoneforum.com/q-patrick-arnold/45975-5aohp-2.html and apologize to Patrick Arnold.

 

[xwindowuser]

This is the body of the email:

For any of you following the controversy, it does appear that there is a very small amount of 5a-androstanediol in our 7-KE product (roughly 3% of the active ingredient). Even though we feel that this is probably a normal situation where our supplier did give us one of the materials with less than 95% purity, we still feel like the right thing to do is advise our customers and offer a refund. We strongly feel that this trace amount isn't enough to cause ANY physiological effect, but it's the right thing to do. Please discard your unused portion.


To answer every critic on the boards this stuff happens when you rely on Chinese suppliers and has happened to many companies in the past. I hope you treat Taurus the same way you've treated them. It's regrettable, but this stuff happens and we will in act even tougher testing protocols to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
If you wish to get a refund, please email:

7kerefund with your order number and name and we will issue you a check.

The yahoo address is non functioning and after buying 2 bottles I bought two more as they were going out of stock. However I never got anything from the use of at least one whole bottle. Nothing. I was also concerned about the type of alcohol used in teh spray as it is not a good alcohol for the body. isopropyl alcohol is poisonous actually.
I'm glad to be getting my money back.

 

[BUCKNUTS]

Tried to send email to address with my order # s to get refund and got this error message
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 554 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account
Can a Taurus rep help out with this why does the email address I was sent to get a refund not exist?

 

[bdcc]

Is this exactly the conclusion PA tested for? I only saw him say he found "something else" in it.

 

[bdcc]

Actually, more importantly, how would this have impacted Rosie?

 

[johnfaceman]

I bought 4 bottles, used 1 and a half, heard about the controversy and decided to stop using it. I am happy that Taurus finally admitted to the problem and will take care of the customers, but as others have said the email address isn't working. Hope to hear from a rep soon.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

The yahoo address is non functioning and after buying 2 bottles I bought two more as they were going out of stock. However I never got anything from the use of at least one whole bottle. Nothing. I was also concerned about the type of alcohol used in teh spray as it is not a good alcohol for the body. isopropyl alcohol is poisonous actually.
I'm glad to be getting my money back.

Tried to send email to address with my order # s to get refund and got this error message
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 554 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account
Can a Taurus rep help out with this why does the email address I was sent to get a refund not exist?

I bought 4 bottles, used 1 and a half, heard about the controversy and decided to stop using it. I am happy that Taurus finally admitted to the problem and will take care of the customers, but as others have said the email address isn't working. Hope to hear from a rep soon.

I tried the email and it kicked back on me too. If your having problems getting your email's through (which I take it most are) you can contact them through this CS email with the same info and they should help you out:

[email protected]

You can also contact them via phone if you still have any other questions about the refund process at:

702-232-8522

 

[808rebel]

Actually, more importantly, how would this have impacted Rosie?

SERIOUSLY! my girlfriend uses this on and off. should she never use it again!?

if it contains a PH/PS it isn't something id want to take on my down time...dang... i thought it was a decent product :/

I may have to take TN up on their reemburstment offer. Being that I bought 4 of these, id be more than willing to get a different product...is that an option?

 

[zb126]

I'd advise her not to take it any more.

To Taurus, did you run QA tests on the ingredients for 5aOHP? Assuming that you used a similar supplier, one would make the assumption it may not have been pure as well.

 

[phatmike0704]

i tried myself to the yahoo account and got the error message. emailed customer service friday and they still didnt email me back. i just wanted a refund for 2/4 bottles i bought or some store credit and still waiting for the reply. doubt we're gonna get refunded. and we wonder why the other reps left the company

 

[prld2gr8ns]

i tried myself to the yahoo account and got the error message. emailed customer service friday and they still didnt email me back. i just wanted a refund for 2/4 bottles i bought or some store credit and still waiting for the reply. doubt we're gonna get refunded. and we wonder why the other reps left the company

It could be that they didn't get to your message before the close of business hours. A lot of companies do not reply to emails over the weekend. Give them until the end of business tomorrow and if you don't hear anything from them call. 702-232-8522

 

[enzo123dog]

I emailed the customer service and they responded quickly but the yahoo account does not work. I wonder how many bottles they sold? Thats alot of revenue down the drain.

 

[seccsi]

I ran two bottles of this. Rosie was using the spray quite religiously IIRC.

 

[Rosie Chee]

For all those with comments and messages re my use of 7-KE, honestly, I am fine, and there is no cause for concern about me re physiological effects. In saying this, please bear in mind that I am not like most other females when it comes to physiological function and what I say pertains only to me in this case, and as mentioned below, all other females who have or are using 7-KE will have to make their own decision about whether or not to continue their usage of it.

Actually, more importantly, how would this have impacted Rosie?

It's had no negative effects on me and I love it, regardless!

SERIOUSLY! my girlfriend uses this on and off. should she never use it again!?

That's an informed decision she will have to make for herself.

I'd advise her not to take it any more.

Advising me or 808rebel re his missus? If it's at me, you should know me well enough to know that I make informed decisions - I made one to beta test the product because I trust Eric, and then to continue using it (I have been using 7-KE for quite some time and know how my body responds to the product), and this incident means another to be made. If at 808rebel re his missus, as I said to him, whether she continues using it or not is entirely up to her.

I ran two bottles of this. Rosie was using the spray quite religiously IIRC.

You're correct - 7-KE is one of my staples and I haven't stopped using it since my first bottle last December!

~Rosie~

 

[phatmike0704]

guess ill a couple more days till they respond

 

[prld2gr8ns]

guess ill a couple more days till they respond

If you don't hear anything from them by mid day tomorrow, just call them.

 

[zb126]

Yeah Rosie, I was referring to his missy I know you are well educated enough to make the decision but I'd still personally err on the side of caution with other females/significant others and have them stop at least temporarily while they get a solid understanding of what they are taking or possibly going to take. But that's just my opinion and obviously everyone has the right to do what they want, I just like erring on the safe side when it comes to advising others

 

[Rosie Chee]

Yeah Rosie, I was referring to his missy I know you are well educated enough to make the decision but I'd still personally err on the side of caution with other females/significant others and have them stop at least temporarily while they get a solid understanding of what they are taking or possibly going to take. But that's just my opinion and obviously everyone has the right to do what they want, I just like erring on the safe side when it comes to advising others

The bolded words - EVERYone should do this anyway, period! You should ALWAYS know and understand about what you are using (if you don't and are not knowledgeable about this yourself, only taking the word of another over doing your own research on it, it's being foolish, IMO), and even more importantly, WHY you are using it - everything should have a PURPOSE for its usage and not just be used for the sake of it or because someone else said you should use it.

~Rosie~

 

[henryv]

The bolded words - EVERYone should do this anyway, period! You should ALWAYS know and understand about what you are using (if you don't and are not knowledgeable about this yourself, only taking the word of another over doing your own research on it, it's being foolish, IMO), and even more importantly, WHY you are using it - everything should have a PURPOSE for its usage and not just be used for the sake of it or because someone else said you should use it.

~Rosie~

If it's not listed on the label, people can't make an informed decision.

 

[warsteiner]

If it's not listed on the label, people can't make an informed decision.

Yeah, there's not a lot you can do if a product has A,B,C listed as the ingredients and actually it contains X,Y,Z.

I'm assuming a lot of companies 'rely on Chinese suppliers' so god knows how many other supps have unknown ingredients in them. It only makes me respect companies who post a COA with their supps. I think those companies will be getting more of my business in the future.

 

[bdcc]

It's had no negative effects on me and I love it, regardless!

I wasn't sure if you took part in tested competitions or would have any issues with it professionally.

As Henry knows, I looked into this and Prototype's 7 spray. If Taurus were available in the UK I would have probably bought a bottle as the main problem was availability here. If I had taken it and found out it was contaminated I would have been seriously annoyed. It is a small contamination in terms of the overall product but I don't want to take in these type of contaminants in any form. I am a 'natural' trainee for a reason and like to keep it that way.

I hope it won't effect any tested competitors.

 

[henryv]

It is a small contamination in terms of the overall product

Assuming that this time they're right/telling the truth. They haven't mentioned the epiandrosterone at 25 - 30%, which is also androgenic.

 

[zb126]

Assuming that this time they're right/telling the truth. They haven't mentioned the epiandrosterone at 25 - 30%, which is also androgenic.

Ah... Very interesting. All in all i think ill stay away from their 7ke

 

[Rosie Chee]

If it's not listed on the label, people can't make an informed decision.

That's true, but knowing about it NOW, they CAN make an informed decision henceforth.

I wasn't sure if you took part in tested competitions or would have any issues with it professionally.

As Henry knows, I looked into this and Prototype's 7 spray. If Taurus were available in the UK I would have probably bought a bottle as the main problem was availability here. If I had taken it and found out it was contaminated I would have been seriously annoyed. It is a small contamination in terms of the overall product but I don't want to take in these type of contaminants in any form. I am a 'natural' trainee for a reason and like to keep it that way.

I hope it won't effect any tested competitors.

Yes, the competitions I have competed in and will compete in are tested competitions. Therefore, I likely will NOT be competing as I wanted to at the end of October or this year, for this reason, erring on the side of caution, also considering the time out I have had to have from training and the changes re physique because of my recent injury. Believe me, I am VERY selective about the products I use, especially having been an elite athlete who was required to perform random drug tests throughout my cycling career, but also because it is a conscious decision of mine to be a lifetime natural athlete, so yes, while it was disappointing to hear about the contamination, now that it is know, measures, including not competing this year, can be taken to set it right, Ben.

~Rosie~

 

[freezito]

Got a second email

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Got a second email

Are you referring to this?

[email protected]

You can also contact them via phone if you still have any other questions about the refund process at:

702-232-8522

 

[BarbellBeast]

I've got the emails too. Unfortunately they don't respond back to me and neither does the owner of Taurus respond to my PM's on here either or reply to these threads.

I got 2 bottles that I want a refund for, any stand up company would be contacting me back and getting my refund... So what's going on TaurusNut?

 

[Siznoyton]

I had some significant androgenic side effects after following Rosies log and upping my daily sprays to 24+. I posted this on phf before the recall. I'm very DHT-sensative and carefully avoid it, so I was rather pissed to learn about,this "contamination." Btw, you don't need a lot of 5aa in a transdermal to feel it...not to mention the other dht precursor in there...what a scam.

Sent from my M860 using Tapatalk

 

[BUCKNUTS]

I've got the emails too. Unfortunately they don't respond back to me and neither does the owner of Taurus respond to my PM's on here either or reply to these threads.

I got 2 bottles that I want a refund for, any stand up company would be contacting me back and getting my refund... So what's going on TaurusNut?

Same here multiple attempts to email their customer service with my order #s with no response. I'm not optimistic about the refund ever coming. I'll be happy to send back my bottle and 1/2 I just want my $ back as i stopped using it after the current revelations and will never use it.

 

[phatmike0704]

I've got the emails too. Unfortunately they don't respond back to me and neither does the owner of Taurus respond to my PM's on here either or reply to these threads.

I got 2 bottles that I want a refund for, any stand up company would be contacting me back and getting my refund... So what's going on TaurusNut?

Same here multiple attempts to email their customer service with my order #s with no response. I'm not optimistic about the refund ever coming. I'll be happy to send back my bottle and 1/2 I just want my $ back as i stopped using it after the current revelations and will never use it.

same here. sent pms, emails, called and no one picked up. idk guys, doubt we're gettin any refund. at least some store credit would be nice

 

[BarbellBeast]

same here. sent pms, emails, called and no one picked up. idk guys, doubt we're gettin any refund. at least some store credit would be nice

Actually no..... I wouldn't buy any of there products again. EVER.

 

[phatmike0704]

Actually no..... I wouldn't buy any of there products again. EVER.

lol ther daa-hcg was awesome. good price and got 52 servings out of it

 

[Bigugly]

lol ther daa-hcg was awesome. good price and got 52 servings out of it

Maybe there was dbol in it

 

[808rebel]

same here. sent pms, emails, called and no one picked up. idk guys, doubt we're gettin any refund. at least some store credit would be nice

this is exactly where i stand...

 

[ambulldog]

man why do companies always blame the poor chinese instead of taking responibility for their own mistakes. a qc on the product would have helped avoid all of this. maybe taurus should follow primordial performances lead

 

[onemind1body]

I was like Rosie and used alot of sprays . Like A LOT lol, and I swear there was definitely something aside from cortisol control going on. This proves that to be true. Sending my info in for a refund or store credit, preferably refund, tonight. Kinda bitter to be honest. I know Eric and Taurus can bring great things to our market, but right now I am a bit upset.

 

[Jorsn]

Will you be sending 5aOHP to Patrick Arnold to have him test it?

 

[Taurus Nut.]

We will issue refunds to anyone that asks. Again, the tested amount was 3% of the dose.

All people will get refund checks who wrote to the customer service. The issue is that the email was not valid (can't use a # in yahoo), so we jut resent with customer service as the contact.

Other than that we are not going to reply to every email sent. You will get a refund.

 

[roblasane]

Maybe there was dbol in it

Hope so

 

[enzo123dog]

I recieved a replacement product of my liking today via ups instead of a check. Thanks for the quick response.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

I recieved a replacement product of my liking today via ups instead of a check. Thanks for the quick response.

Nice to see it's getting resolved.

 

[freezito]

Well that should of told us that was a option and if they had time to send out Product, why hasn't and recieved their checks

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Well that should of told us that was a option and if they had time to send out Product, why hasn't and recieved their checks

Maybe they just re-credited your card. If I was you I would check my balance just to be sure. That seems like an easier thing to do as a whole then sending everyone a refund check IMO.

 

[freezito]

Well they said a check. Yes that would of been easier but it's not what they said