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    5aOHP Progestin Prohormone - The Reveal


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    With all of the recent news about hormonal in sports and in the media, we had to be very much on the legal side of US law in order to bring you a truly great hormone that meets your needs! You know as men that you are constantly under attack from environmental estrogens and chemicals that make it tough to produce your own androgens!
    You might not have the data, but you just know something isn't right! You know you should be putting on more muscle than ever before because of your diet and exercise! Yet true lean mass escapes you...
    If you drink from plastic bottles, use lotion and hair products and eat fruits and vegetables, you are getting a HUGE dose of chemicals that all act like estrogen in your body and EVEN WORSE kill your ability to make testosterone and other androgens on your own.

    Symptoms of a skewed Androgen/Estrogen ratio:

    Do you have a hard time carrying lean mass?
    Do you want better sex drive and performance?
    Are you softer than you'd like?
    Do you feel like you need a mental lift in and out of the gym?

    These chemicals won't show up on a blood test, so even though your values are in the "normal" range, you may still be WAY too estrogenic to feel your best!
    We had a tough job ahead of us, find a mass builder that is 100% legal and builds muscle like a pro-steroid . Impossible? Not from our science team! This search for the perfect prohormone lead us down many paths and many areas. Sure, we could have sold out and made some other chemically altered “steroid” from Vida, only to get caught and forced to remove the product from the market.

    We had to find something that built muscle, but didn't cross the legal line…

    That left us without the “luxury” of trying to skirt the law by bringing out anything related to testosterone or other androgens like some other's have done. So, instead of trying to cheat the law, we decided to see what that left us to help men feel their best. Estrogens? Nope, that wouldn't work. Corticosteroids? Nah, they have a lot of uses, but building muscle isn't one of them.

    That left us one choice…

    Progestins! When I first introduced progestins to the market everyone laughed. The BROSCIENTISTS said "you can't build mass with a progestin"..."what if people get gyno" and all kinds of other jabs. Guess what? Broscience doesn't know ****...
    People were loving my progestin and you know what else? Another company released a progestin, then another company and hundreds of thousands of bottles later not one case of gyno; just pounds of lean mass. So, you can put that rumor to bed, progestins prevent gyno, they don't cause it! Progestins build muscle, case closed!
    How do progestins build mass you ask? Well, not any old progestin will do, you have to look long and hard for the “right” progestin. Our search for a progestin capable of building LEAN MASS and without serious side effects took months! We scoured the literature and found a progestin that naturally produced by the body that could help you feel great! This was a decent find, but we were not satisfied to give you just the bare minimum that nature has to offer. In fact it is the 5aReduced form which makes it much more potent at building mass and mobilizing fat.

    Even a better muscle builder than many chemically altered PH products...
    The great thing about the active ingredient in 5aOHP is that it won't turn into estrogen and will give you dry, solid gains in mass with limited side effects. The best reported benefit by our testers is the body composition changes rivaling the most potent illegal compounds! Because it can't convert to estrogen, you can bet that 5aOHP is guaranteed to be free from bloating estrogenic side effects. Hundreds of thousands of bottles sold of progestin based hormones with ZERO estrogenic side effects! Case closed! Just to keep the complainers down we put in a potent AI to reduce estrogen!


    5aOHP
    Progestins, specifically 17aHydroxyProgestins convert at a high rate to other androgens and can act as prohormones AND biologically active androgens! This means that 5aOHP will have a double effect for people looking to gain MASS. It should be active on its own and also will convert to Stanolone a prized hormone for men looking to restore their vitality and counter the effect of these environmental chemical estrogens!
    Finally, we added our special oral delivery system and the most POTENT LEGAL MASS BUILDER was born!!!

    How To Use:
    4-6 Weeks of 5aOHP at 4-8 doses per day split up. Use the convenient oral syringe to place 1ml under your tongue hold for 60 seconds, then swish the liquid delivery system in your mouth for 60 seconds coating the entire mouth and swallow completely. Any muscle building is dependent on proper diet and exercise. No supplement is going to do the work for you, you must eat healthy and exercise with intensity!

    References for safety, efficacy and DSHEA compliance:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RawStrength
    Name: Raw Strength!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RawStrength
    Name: Raw Strength!

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    Note: I am a VERY detailed logger.. new to this board BUT not new to logging supplements on various other boards. I can log this here on AM and have accounts on other boards as well that I can log it on. You will NOT be disappointed if you pick me!!
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    1.) How old are you? 23
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    4.) Would you be willing to post the log on other boards also? Would be honored
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    Congrats guys!

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    age:23
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    where will i log this?: anywhere
    before/after pics: of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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    age:23
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    where will i log this?: anywhere
    before/after pics: of course
    other supps: multi,fish oil, bcaas, whey

    Past cycles: dzine, superdrol, furuza a, epi, winstrol, primobolan, hdrol, pplex

    i am a very experienced lifter and cycler... very interested in your product and i will provide an honest log/review .


    i might even be able to post up some bloodwork before and after..
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by malleus25 View Post
    O someone said blood work..
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    but either way, i think i would be a fantastic logger

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    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
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    So this is a synthetic progestin. Why would it be any better than Tren?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    So this is a synthetic progestin. Why would it be any better than Tren?
    For starters Tren has been classified as a schedule III drug where as our progestin is 100% DSHEA legal
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    So this converts to dht, right. Should be a great compound to run to get some good hardness and vascularity on that alone. Whats the intrinsic factor for the base hormone and how much mass were testers adding during the beta phase? From what it sounds like this will be a great strenght, and hardening agent. Curious about the mass effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    So this converts to dht, right. Should be a great compound to run to get some good hardness and vascularity on that alone. Whats the intrinsic factor for the base hormone and how much mass were testers adding during the beta phase? From what it sounds like this will be a great strenght, and hardening agent. Curious about the mass effects.
    The target hormone, Stanolone, is a semi-synthetic form of dihydrotestosterone (DHT)

    Strength and hardening effects indeed! From almost all our beta testers they reported a increase in strength and a overall body recomposition effect from it.

    As far as mass, on average the gains were anywhere from 4-8lbs of lean muscle. Just about all of our testers were able to gain weight AND drop bodyfat from a 4 week cycle. One tester compared it to epi while another said it took him 6 weeks on p-mag to gain what he gained from only 4 weeks of 5aOHP!
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    How much shutdown is to be expected according to all the beta testers?
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    Little to none on shutdown. Also as most of you know if you want more mass gain I would stack it with a good wet PH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus BigK View Post
    Little to none on shutdown. Also as most of you know if you want more mass gain I would stack it with a good wet PH.
    Considering this in October.
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    Strange thing guys. Right now I am going threw a bad divorce and pretty much starting my life over at 38. I am been so freaking depressed it not even funny. But today I have taken 2ml at 4 different times today. I have not been in this good of mood in months. I asked Eric and he said Progestins are prove in to do that. Crazy hu? I will keep you guys up todate if this keeps up.
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    yea, tren (pro dienolone) or trenbolone, or methoxygonadiene aren't progestins.
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    can you put up some info on the pathways and what converts this please. nomenclature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    So this is a synthetic progestin. Why would it be any better than Tren?
    Not entirely. It's produced from 5a reduction of 17a-hydroxyprogesterone in vivo and in other animals. You could classify it as semi-synthetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    yea, tren (pro dienolone) or trenbolone, or methoxygonadiene aren't progestins.
    LOL. oh lawd let's not start that. while I agree with you, there is a somewhat big connection between 19-nors and progestins.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    can you put up some info on the pathways and what converts this please. nomenclature?
    they have a chart which shows it to convert to androstanedione via 17, 20 lyase (an enzyme which acts on the 17 and 20 carbons of progestins to reduce to a keto group).

    The taurus reps will comment im sure, just figured I could explain some things lol.
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    hmm, interesting. so what doesn't convert and makes it to the blood will not be a good thing. better hope for good conversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    hmm, interesting. so what doesn't convert and makes it to the blood will not be a good thing. better hope for good conversion.
    my only concern is that, there may be some people with 17, 20 lyase deficiency out there. this would not be a good thing for those people for conversion purposes, but again not my place to comment.
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    lol, yea, that would suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    can you put up some info on the pathways and what converts this please. nomenclature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    my only concern is that, there may be some people with 17, 20 lyase deficiency out there. this would not be a good thing for those people for conversion purposes, but again not my place to comment.
    This must be the case for me. I was up to 175mg ed of MaxLMG with absolutely no results...positive or negative. Rather disappointing because I am not interested in the methylated variety of PHs and I thought the Progestins could be the answer. Oh well...
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    AZMIDLYF do you want to run a log for us and see how it works for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    This must be the case for me. I was up to 175mg ed of MaxLMG with absolutely no results...positive or negative. Rather disappointing because I am not interested in the methylated variety of PHs and I thought the Progestins could be the answer. Oh well...
    No worries bro, mlmg doesn't utilize 17, 20 lyase. No anabolic steroids currently on the market should use it. This will be the first one . I think you may just not respond well to mlmg.
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    how does one get more of these liver enzymes to convert Prohormones into said target active steroids?

    Genetics? ; ;
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    This must be the case for me. I was up to 175mg ed of MaxLMG with absolutely no results...positive or negative. Rather disappointing because I am not interested in the methylated variety of PHs and I thought the Progestins could be the answer. Oh well...
    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus BigK View Post
    AZMIDLYF do you want to run a log for us and see how it works for you?
    You know you want to AZ!
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    I thought we were supposed to PM, but I'll throw my hat in here too
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    hmmm, interesting. I look forward to seeing user reviews of this product.

    any word on dosing etc?
  

  
 

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