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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    No disrespect but this is a supplement thread for dopadex. Can you please continue this conversation in private messages or the general chat section.

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    ETA of Dopadex in stock status at the Planet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    ETA of Dopadex in stock status at the Planet?
    Should be very soon if in not mistaken. I just got word it arrived at the warehouse this week. I'm waiting on some myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post

    Should be very soon if in not mistaken. I just got word it arrived at the warehouse this week. I'm waiting on some myself.
    Hehe I'm happy I still have a mini stock pile of Dopadex in my supplement collection. It seriously no gimmicks gives me some of the best sleep I've had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Hehe I'm happy I still have a mini stock pile of Dopadex in my supplement collection. It seriously no gimmicks gives me some of the best sleep I've had.
    Yea, it's good stuff at a great price.
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    I gotta pick me up some dopadex when 1-carboxy runs out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matter2003 View Post
    I am missing out? Pfft...yeah OK. My parents are both nutritional nuts and have lived on vitamins and minerals ever since I was growing up, researching and reading book after book about natural health remedies. They literally could start a library with the books they have on it. My Dad is almost 70 and my Mom is 76, and have never been in the hospital, rarely go to the doctor and are in perfect health. The doctor told them whatever they are doing to keep on doing it because they take no drugs at all(other than my mother taking thyroid since hypothyroidism runs in the family---natural not synthetic as it has been shown to be more effective---gee who realized God knew what he was doing when he created natural thyroid hormone with the 4 different types that have since been found to ALL play roles in the healthy and normal functioning of the thyroid instead of the one found in the synthetic kind), and are healthier than most people in their 40s. Coincidence? Doubt it. I don't know what the percentage of people not on medication is after age 45 or 50, but I am pretty sure its probably under 20%. After age 70?? Probably under 5%...

    The answer from dermatologists is to put me on enbrel or humira or something similar...basically poison the immune system instead of figuring out why its going haywire. Never going to happen. Never in my lifetime. After I told my dermatologist that I refused to allow myself to be poisoned, she looked at me and said "You are one of the smartest patients I have ever had." 80% of the immune system resides in the intestines, so any autoimmune disease starts there. Heal the problem in the intestines(normally "leaky gut" or something similar), and you resolve the condition. The answer to autoimmune diseases, aka, the immune system not functioning properly, begins there. Pesticides, leaky gut, unbalanced cadida/bacteria(almost ALWAYS from the same antibiotics you proclaim are saviors).

    Synthetic drugs are safe? What planet are you on bro? Obviously not the same one I am on where drug companies are being sued left and right for causing serious health problems while treating a "condition". It sounds so funny to hear the commercials talking about the side effects for something relatively minor condition that include death as a side effect. Really? Death is now a side effect? Lol...sounds pretty serious to me. Ever watch daytime TV? Every other commercial is a law firm asking if you have taken an ever expanding list of drugs that has caused serious medical issues or death and to call them to file a lawsuit against the drug manufacturers.

    Aspirin is a poor example, as there is increasing evidence aspirin is NOT safe for roughly 1/3 of males who are resistant to it, and in them it causes a greater chance of stroke and heart attack than not taking it. Bromelain, an extract from pineapple, does pretty much the same thing without the side effects.

    I will also put cinnamon up against any drug that lowers triglycerides, blood sugar and cholesterol significantly. Look at the studies done on it, few to no drugs have that great of an effect on all 3...we are talking reducing all 3 15-30% within a month time period. No side effects, and costs under $1. Even if there was a drug that could do this, the cost would be extremely high and the side effects probably higher. Never heard of anyone dying from taking 1/4 teaspoon of cinnamon twice a day.

    Statins are another brilliant drug. Most popular drug out there. The body produces cholesterol in response to inflammation or injury to act as a patch or bandage. Chronic production or overproduction of cholesterol means the body is in a chronically injured or inflamed state. So what do we do? Again, we treat the symptom and not the cause. We tell the body to stop putting band aids on the injury instead of finding out why its getting injured and preventing the inflammation and injury in the first place. Gonna tell me statins aren't dangerous? 900+ studies say you are lying.

    Ever hear of a substance called Carvrcrol? It causes the implosion of bacteria by literally sucking the water out of the cell membrane. Pretty hard to become resistant to that. Maybe if Oil of Oregano extract was used more instead of antibiotics we wouldn't be dealing with the drug resistant bacteria that is becoming an epidemic. Ask your doctors about that one and how a few drops in a toilet full of raw sewage totally sterilizes it. I'd be more than happy to put that up against your ever more and more failing antibiotics. Already have in fact. Worked as well if not better than any antibiotic I've ever taken, and it didn't destroy my intestinal flora and predispose me to candida overgrowth either...

    You can tell me your synthetic drugs are safe all you want. I know better. I read plenty of studies myself. My Mother was in medical research for 40 years, I am pretty good at discerning what to look for.

    In this discussion regarding L-Dopa, once again, Mucuna Pruriens extract has been found to be better, safer, and with many fewer side effects than synthetic L-Dopa at a significantly lower dose. Once again, it all comes down to God knew what he was doing when he added the other things to the L-Dopa that occur naturally. They all work together to balance things in the body. Look up the studies, they are all out there. The researchers were nothing short of stunned as to how this could happen. It lasts longer, has a higher peak concentration, and somehow continues to elevate L-Dopa levels where synthetic did not. It also is neuro-protective instead of neuro-damaging like the synthetic form.

    We can have this discussion as many times as you want. You give me a drug that you think is perfect, I'll give you a natural compound that works as effectively, is safer long term, and has few to no side effects. Better yet, if more people would take the time to replace the minerals and vitamins their body loses as we age many of these "diseases" wouldn't come about.

    And BTW, if you know anyone with arthritis, let them know a $5 box of Borax can likely cure them within 6-12 months. Israel has one of the highest rates of Boron in the soil and the have a rate of 0.7% arthritis. Jamaica, one of the lowest Boron content in the soil and they have a 70%+ rate of arthritis. Hmm...I dunno, there couldn't be a connection there could there? Seeing as how Boron is to the Parathyroid gland as Iodine is to the Thyroid and seeing as how the Parathyroid controls the Calcium-Magnesium pump and when that doesn't work properly Calcium goes into the muscles, gets stuck there, displacing magnesium that should be there, which then has nowhere to go so it gets flushed out of the body. Probably explains why adding calcium doesn't help much, since its not a lack of calcium at all in most cases, simply that the calcium is stuck in the wrong place with no way out. Look it up bro, tell your doctor to prescribe a $5 box of Borax for arthritis. Trust me, they will never do it, too much money at stake...not enough side effects either...the MSDS basically says its roughly as safe as table salt.
    I don`t experience any bad side effects nor any positive effects from using normal Mucuna with low percentage of l-dopa or almost pure l-dopa.

    I get nothing really from l-dopa.

    Everything regarding dopa is crap to me.

    When I used to read about it before trying it,I though this stuff should be awesome.

    But it`s not.
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    Can anyone provide some info on b6/p5p negating/affecting the dopamine boost from mucuna? I supplement with b's throughout the day and would like to know if that would render this type of supplement useless, or if you just need to watch the timing of the respective supplements. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Can anyone provide some info on b6/p5p negating/affecting the dopamine boost from mucuna? I supplement with b's throughout the day and would like to know if that would render this type of supplement useless, or if you just need to watch the timing of the respective supplements. Thanks.
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    Is it necessary to take ecgc with the dopadex to get its full benefits? I'm reading conflicting info regarding that (as well as the b6/p5p negating it's effects)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Druboutin View Post
    Is it necessary to take ecgc with the dopadex to get its full benefits? I'm reading conflicting info regarding that (as well as the b6/p5p negating it's effects)
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    Already got the answer via PM. Apparently depends on what you're trying to accomplish with l-dopa and if you really want to take 5g ecgc. Doesn't fit what I'm going for, but happy to get a straight forward answer. Thanks though, bro

    Edit: Realized you were looking for the same answer -- I was told no, it's not necessary to take ecgc, and yes, b6/p5p will battle to be taken by the same pathways as the dopa, so space them out if you're taking both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Druboutin View Post
    Already got the answer via PM. Apparently depends on what you're trying to accomplish with l-dopa and if you really want to take 5g ecgc. Doesn't fit what I'm going for, but happy to get a straight forward answer. Thanks though, bro

    Edit: Realized you were looking for the same answer -- I was told no, it's not necessary to take ecgc, and yes, b6/p5p will battle to be taken by the same pathways as the dopa, so space them out if you're taking both.
    Good info since a few products are combining p5p and l-dopa...I wouldn't have thought about the combination being negative.
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    Well PES amino iv is the only product I take with p5p in it and that's taken in the afternoon and dopa product is taken at bed time often at 11-midnight or later. So I'm assuming 6-8 hours is ok......

    Does p5p affect prolactin then if it competes with dopa? Does it raise or lower prolactin
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Good info since a few products are combining p5p and l-dopa...I wouldn't have thought about the combination being negative.
    From what I understand, when they're combined the reaction happens outside the bbb, so the effects resulting in reduced prolactin are still achieved, but the mental benefits of the l-dopa are diminished. So if prolactin is your only focus, I believe a product like inhibit-P which combines them (and vitex) achieves that goal.

    Again, I was basically given the run down for dummies, so I could be off here, but that's how I understood what was told to me.

    In my particular case, lowering/keeping prolactin in check is a goal, but I was also interested in getting a deeper, uninterrupted sleep because I tend to toss and turn throughout the night.

    I take some b6 in the morning/early afternoon and take the dopadex later in the day/pre-bed in order to get the best of both worlds. I've seen this method suggested in other forums, and people reported having success with it.

    I do think a lot of people overstate the benefits of the L-dopa, personally. I see people giving feedback about a supercharged attitude and confidence as if they've ingested molly at a rave. But whatever, I guess if they *think* it's working, that could be beneficial in itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Well PES amino iv is the only product I take with p5p in it and that's taken in the afternoon and dopa product is taken at bed time often at 11-midnight or later. So I'm assuming 6-8 hours is ok......

    Does p5p affect prolactin then if it competes with dopa? Does it raise or lower prolactin
    I would also assume that's fine. As I said above, I've come across others who are more knowledgeable than myself who suggested spacing them out as you did allows you achieve prolactin control from both angles without them competing with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Well PES amino iv is the only product I take with p5p in it and that's taken in the afternoon and dopa product is taken at bed time often at 11-midnight or later. So I'm assuming 6-8 hours is ok......

    Does p5p affect prolactin then if it competes with dopa? Does it raise or lower prolactin
    It lowers it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Druboutin View Post
    From what I understand, when they're combined the reaction happens outside the bbb, so the effects resulting in reduced prolactin are still achieved, but the mental benefits of the l-dopa are diminished. So if prolactin is your only focus, I believe a product like inhibit-P which combines them (and vitex) achieves that goal.

    Again, I was basically given the run down for dummies, so I could be off here, but that's how I understood what was told to me.

    In my particular case, lowering/keeping prolactin in check is a goal, but I was also interested in getting a deeper, uninterrupted sleep because I tend to toss and turn throughout the night.

    I take some b6 in the morning/early afternoon and take the dopadex later in the day/pre-bed in order to get the best of both worlds. I've seen this method suggested in other forums, and people reported having success with it.

    I do think a lot of people overstate the benefits of the L-dopa, personally. I see people giving feedback about a supercharged attitude and confidence as if they've ingested molly at a rave. But whatever, I guess if they *think* it's working, that could be beneficial in itself.
    Well I'll tell you one thing that isn't hype. Take dopadex for a few weeks then comment on orgasm quality...dead serious. Sex will never be the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Well I'll tell you one thing that isn't hype. Take dopadex for a few weeks then comment on orgasm quality...dead serious. Sex will never be the same
    I never got this effect...and now I feel like I am missing out big time! Is this something almost everyone gets from L-dopa supps???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    It lowers it
    Taking test powder with my amino IV= good/bad idea?? Test powder having200mg mucuna (seed) extract and amino IV w the p5p... Should I be trying to spread these out? Or no issue? Thanks coop
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    I never got this effect...and now I feel like I am missing out big time! Is this something almost everyone gets from L-dopa supps???
    Not everyone but most users. It's been documented in human studies. Not to mention increased penile girth at rest .

    Some people even report a shorter refractory period since prolactin is the cause of that phenomenon and l-dopa lowers prolactin
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Taking test powder with my amino IV= good/bad idea?? Test powder having200mg mucuna (seed) extract and amino IV w the p5p... Should I be trying to spread these out? Or no issue? Thanks coop
    Not a big deal but just spread em, no need to use test powder pre/intra workout anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Taking test powder with my amino IV= good/bad idea?? Test powder having200mg mucuna (seed) extract and amino IV w the p5p... Should I be trying to spread these out? Or no issue? Thanks coop
    Have you been taking it or just starting? I had to quit taking it twice, it's the best laxative on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post

    Have you been taking it or just starting? I had to quit taking it twice, it's the best laxative on the market.
    I've used it two or three times prior and enjoyed it. But yea, definitely loosens you up. I use it fasted and pre workout though so there's not usually much to move til after I break my fast lol. It definitely gives u the mud butt at times tho!
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    Just wanted to share this study, which basically says B6 will inhibit the GH benefits from L-Dopa, but will enhance the prolactin lowering effects. Space them if you're looking for sleep/GH. Combine them if you're trying to reduce prolactin.

    Edit: can't post links yet, but it's the "pubmed/20170" extension on the ncbi/pubmed website.

    Here's the excerpt: 500 mg of levodopa was administered orally to 8 normal subjects and induced an increase of growth hormone (GH) and a decrease of prolactin (PRL) secretion. The levodopa-induced GH release was inhibited by an intravenous infusion of pyridoxine; on the contrary, the PRL response to levodopa was enhanced by pyridoxine infusion. This dissociation of GH and PRL responses to levodopa during pyridoxine infusion appears to be mediated by peripheral acceleration of the conversion of levodopa to dopamine. Since dopamine does not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, the enhanced PRL decrease observed during pyridoxine infusion might be explained only on the basis of a mechanism of action exerted by dopamine on extra blood-brain barrier sites.
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    Also keep this in mind for your B6 supplementation -- many people suggest taking P5P over B6 due to bio availability, but pubmed 501547 says the following:

    "To investigate if vitamin B6 inhibits prolactin release and to compare this effect to that of bromocriptine, a known suppressor of prolactin release, a study was conducted in male rats. Animals were pretreated with pyridoxine hydrochloride, pyridoxal hydrochloride, saline, or bromocriptine 30 min prior to receiving varying doses of chlorpromazine hydrochloride. Blood samples were obtained 90 min later and analyzed for serum prolactin by a double-antibody radioimmunoassay. Another study involved pyridoxal hydrochloride and saline pretreatments 30 min prior to doses of chlorpromazine hydrochloride. Blood samples collected 60 min later were also analyzed for serum prolactin. Pyridoxine hydrochloride significantly suppressed the chlorpromazine-induced prolactin rise (p less than 0.01). However, the suppression was significantly less than that produced by bromocriptine (p less than 0.01). Pyridoxal hydrochloride, another natural form of vitamin B6, failed to suppress prolactin under the conditions of both studies. This investigation may lend support to the concept that pyridoxine hydrochloride partially inhibits prolactin by a mechanism not involving dopamine."

    Essentially, the standard B6 (pyridoxine) will aid in reducing prolactin. P5P (pyridoxal) has no effect on prolactin. Hope this clears up any confusion, I know it did for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Not everyone but most users. It's been documented in human studies. Not to mention increased penile girth at rest .

    Some people even report a shorter refractory period since prolactin is the cause of that phenomenon and l-dopa lowers prolactin
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9796623

    "On the other hand, in nine subjects who were younger than 50 years, maximum penile circumference increase showed a significant increment with L-dopa."

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