New ECA stack on the rise..........
- 07-23-2008, 04:14 PM
New ECA stack on the rise..........
Hey, just wanted to know if anyone here has heard of the Green Stingers from I-supplements? Sounds so close to the old ECA stacks in the 90's we loved but with a twist to it. I have tried theand Stim x and they were ok and I was looking for something a tad stronger. It has combined Yohimbe and some elements similar to Stim x and Adrenalean but with a 27 mg of Ephedra. Has anyone tried this or know any info on it? It is made by Schwartz labs and was first offered through i-supplements on the net but now many other sites are carrying it too.
I'm not trying to promo just some legit facts. I really would value your opinion. Thanks
Here's the list of ingredienceSupplement Facts:
Serving size: 2 Caplets
Serving Per Container: 60
Amount per Serving % Daily Value
Ephedra Extract 27 mg *
Citrus Aurantium (bitter orange) 170 mg *
Synephrine Extract 30% ( C9H13NO2 )
Acacia Rigidula (95%) 150 mg *
Phenylethylamine HCL 150 mg *
Thermogenic Intensifier / Neuromodulator and Neurotransmitter
Theobroma CoCoa 100 mg *
120 mg *
45% Epigallocatechin Gallate (ECGC)
Proprietary YohimatrixT 10 mg
Synergistic combination of three dfferent chemical preparations of the energy herb -Yohimbe
11-Hydroxy Yohimbine *
Naringen 30 mg *
Pure White Willow Bark Extract 300 mg *
Salicin / Acetylsalicylic acid
Evodiamine (98%) 10 mg *
Proprietary TriENRG 300mg
Researched blend of pure, natural caffeines yielding 200mg - total caffeine
Kola Nut Extract *
Guarana Extract *
- 07-23-2008, 07:00 PM
Hey man, word of caution... This site is sponsored by Nutra Planet, and IS the only supplement store that can be posted. Just edit out the name of the other supplement store (Advertisement).
As far as the product goes, your questions are valid and are not rule breaking.
As far as it being as good as the old school ECA stacks, I seriously don't think so. The extract is more than likely that of leaves. However, the ingredient profile does look good. I just wish that they did not put the Yohimbine in it... Stuff gives me the worst loosey lucy's in the world.
07-23-2008, 07:03 PM
07-23-2008, 08:03 PM
Yeah, I'd avoid any supplements with ephedra listed in the ingredients, cuz you're not getting the real deal. The leaf extract is not the same. You will not find the "good" ephedra alkaloids in any OTC fat burners. If you want ephedra go to a local pharmacy and pick up some Bronkaid or Primatene.
07-23-2008, 08:11 PM
I honestly dont care to prove it it's not my research or my burden but I am passing food for thought along from my 8-9 years of reading on many boards...
07-23-2008, 08:20 PM
Word. Right on, bro. I just know that many people (myself included) have had great results with it. Moderation, I suppose... Cheers.
07-23-2008, 08:22 PM
Yes, E and Y can be risky. Use considerable caution way using them together.
It's is very effective. The E stimulates beta receptors and is an agonist or antogonist (i get them inversed and mispelled) of alpha receptors. Meaning the E works great at hitting the beta receptor but it makes the alpha receptor resistant. This is where the Y comes in.
Y is an alpha agonist or antogonist (like I said before about getting them inversed) so it stimulates the alpha receptors contreacting the down regulation created by the E.
The alpha receptors are the trouble areas of fat in the lower abs, thighs, hips and the likes.
ECY - get your C from GTE and you are cooking with gas! Plus GTE is a COMT which further enhances the whole process.
07-23-2008, 09:54 PM
07-24-2008, 12:23 AM
I've honestly never tried EC stack before. What you think about yellow bullet? It says each capsule contain 300mg caff and 25mg ephedra. And there is also one called tri-stack, which has caff, ephedra, PEA.
07-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Then what is the concensus on the mix. I am not looking to take it as an every day supp but looking for that extra kick for days I work out and when I have a hectic day. Would it be good enough to help shed a quick 20 lbs over the next month or what would the next best thing be to do so.
Thanks for everyones in put!
07-24-2008, 10:54 AM
07-25-2008, 11:06 AM
07-25-2008, 11:28 AM
I like Lipodrene as an "oldie."
Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings Per Container: 100
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Proprietary Blend 557.5mg *
Ephedra Extract (leaves),
Acacia Rigidula Extract (leaves) MethylSynephrine (Yielding 75mg Phenylethylamine Alkaloids including: B-Phenylethylamine, N-Methyl-B-Phenylethylamine, and R-beta-Methylphenylethyanine) ,
25mg Synephrine HCL,
Green Tea Extract (45mg ECGC),
Hoodia Extract (cactus),
Cassia Nomame Extract (plant),
6,7 Dihydroxybergamottin (fruit),
07-25-2008, 11:55 AM
"If ephedra is taken with monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) antidepressants, such as isocarboxazid (MarplanŽ), phenelzine (NardilŽ), and tranylcypromine (ParnateŽ), severe side effects may develop, including dangerously high blood pressure, muscle damage, fever, and irregular heart rate. Other antidepressants and medications for psychiatric disorders (phenothiazines, tricyclics, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors [SSRIs]) may reduce the effects of ephedra and cause low blood pressure and rapid heartbeat."
07-25-2008, 11:58 AM
and yes, all those "yellow bullets" and "green monsters" or whatever the heck they are called are bunk! Even lippodrene IMO is bunk. I took it, and compared it to a REAL EC stack
"pure ephedrine HCL" and its not the same at all...
if you want the real deal, search out pure ephedrine HCL, and mix it w/ pure caffeine and hang on
07-25-2008, 11:59 AM
Guys, these can be combimed. Individual tolerance to each need to be assessed as well as caution when taking them. Ramping and slowly assessing tolerance is advised.
It is hard core and not for the timid, inexperienced or those prone to anxiety, hypetension or other physical and psychological disorders.
It is very effective when used properly.
Some GTE and some T3/T4 and adipose stands no chance.
07-25-2008, 12:17 PM
07-25-2008, 12:30 PM
07-25-2008, 12:33 PM
I monitored my blood pressure & pulse every so often while on ECY recently (25mg e, 200mg c, 7.5-10mg y 3x daily) for 6 weeks, and my BP never got above 128/88, resting pulse never got above 78. I did notice my pulse got a little higher during workouts, but I adjusted with slightly longer rest periods, and, of course, acted intelligently and used good judgment.
Now, I'm not saying other people shouldn't worry... But if you're not super sensitive to stims, and as long as you monitor yourself and use caution, I don't see the big deal. Then again, I'm not a doctor, and just cuz it worked for me doesn't mean you should be a moron about it. Just use your head.
07-25-2008, 12:35 PM
07-25-2008, 12:37 PM
07-25-2008, 12:37 PM
07-25-2008, 12:58 PM
07-25-2008, 01:05 PM
07-25-2008, 01:14 PM
The issue is as shaddow mentioned, knowing your tolerance. The question of wanting a stimulant or wanting a double action beta and alpha adipose receptor stack.
If someone wants a stimulant than drink caffeine or 50mg of E or both. Stimulants like E and C tend to burn out beta receptor diminishing their effects and worse, makes alpha receptors resistant. Adipose receptors requires a bit more intelligence. You wants stimulants than use stimulants.
I suggest researching beta 2,3 and alpha 2 receptors.
07-25-2008, 01:15 PM
07-25-2008, 09:00 PM
I know it's better to err on the side of caution, but certain people will be FINE with these things.
I can take 300mg caffeine with 25mg ephedrine and check my BP 30 minutes later and it will be no higher than 110/65 (and even that's unlikely) with a resting HR of probably 40ish (regular is low 30s). I've had low BP/HR since I was a kid and now I do like 2 hours of cardio a day so high blood pressure is pretty much out of the question for me.
I never found yohimbine to do me that much good, and sometimes it made me feel uncomfortable (sick headachey feeling), but I've taken it with ephedrine just to see what my BP would be on a bunch of occasions and it's always raised it about 5 points higher than the #'s above. I guess the message is that if you have high BP you probably shouldn't be doing this stuff, but then again IMO if you have high blood pressure you shouldn't be taking stimulants to begin with at all.
This is kinda making me want to try ECY again, B5150, do you find it noticeably more effective than EC alone? Also, I find E/C ruins the quality of my erections for about 4-5 hours, does the Y offset this?
07-25-2008, 09:34 PM
07-25-2008, 10:06 PM
I used to dose up to 4x day but it was usually 25/200 when it was E/C and as high as 25/200/10 of E/C/Y. I often appreciated the stimulants effect until of course I became tolerant and then it was not pleasant being on or coming off.
With meal timing it never seemed to be able to fit in any more frequently without dosing too late at night so I did 4x day every 4 hours or so between meals.
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