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    3-AD vs. Superdrol-ng


    i have been researching both products for some time now. even though there is not much info on the 3-AD. i was wondering if you guys would like to help inform me of the similarities and differences of the two products.

    i have been lifting for a long time. i go 3-4 times a week. i am looking to increase my strength, my muscle mass, burn off some fat to become more cut.

    if you recommend another product that i have not heard of that can give me the desired results that would be nice too thankss

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    one's a steroid and one is not if u can't find that info you need to look a lot harder
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    also at 5'10" 150lbs and you've been lifting for a while your diet sucks. no supplement is going to work if u can't gain on your own. and i'm guessing your way too young to be taking anything hormonal if the 92 in ur name is for the date u were born. eat boy eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    one's a steroid and one is not if u can't find that info you need to look a lot harder

    Woah, woah, woah... WTF, man? Strong ignorance in the posting!! Don't hate!!!

    Let me 'splain... NONE OF THEM ARE STEROIDS!!!!! Where this notion came from is completely beyond me. One is a prohormone, and the other is a .....wanna guess? .... prohormone!!! Yup, that's easy,wasn't it?!?

    Ok, differences... SDNG is a mild PH mixed with a good stim. Gains on it are modest, and it does work very well as a pre-w/o booster. Post cycle therapy is required - and our aPCT (Advanced PCT) will cover it. Downside - SDNG has been discontinued as AX decided not to produce it any more. Whatever is left for sale wherever is all that's around.

    3-AD... Much more potent prohormone, but very high on the safety scale. No cycle support products are necessary as it isn't a methylated product and won't do the liver damage that methyls will. Gains on it are very solid, cycle length can be relatively short with good success, and still, PCT is easy as pie.

    However.... depending on your actual experience with supplementation, I wouldn't recommend either of these quite yet. If you are new to supps, but not the gym, I'd start lighter. If you're looking at our products and want a good, easy, effective stack, look into MassFX Max Strength and HyperdrolX2. Stack 'em, run with 'em, no PCT required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Woah, woah, woah... WTF, man? Strong ignorance in the posting!! Don't hate!!!

    Let me 'splain... NONE OF THEM ARE STEROIDS!!!!! Where this notion came from is completely beyond me. One is a prohormone, and the other is a .....wanna guess? .... prohormone!!! Yup, that's easy,wasn't it?!?

    Ok, differences... SDNG is a mild PH mixed with a good stim. Gains on it are modest, and it does work very well as a pre-w/o booster. Post cycle therapy is required - and our aPCT (Advanced PCT) will cover it. Downside - SDNG has been discontinued as AX decided not to produce it any more. Whatever is left for sale wherever is all that's around.

    3-AD... Much more potent prohormone, but very high on the safety scale. No cycle support products are necessary as it isn't a methylated product and won't do the liver damage that methyls will. Gains on it are very solid, cycle length can be relatively short with good success, and still, PCT is easy as pie.

    However.... depending on your actual experience with supplementation, I wouldn't recommend either of these quite yet. If you are new to supps, but not the gym, I'd start lighter. If you're looking at our products and want a good, easy, effective stack, look into MassFX Max Strength and HyperdrolX2. Stack 'em, run with 'em, no PCT required.

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    Yeah brother Tim!

    I still have some SDNG around that i'll be using soon. 3-AD should stack well with Havoc. Something i have yet to do in the near future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Woah, woah, woah... WTF, man? Strong ignorance in the posting!! Don't hate!!!

    Let me 'splain... NONE OF THEM ARE STEROIDS!!!!! Where this notion came from is completely beyond me. One is a prohormone, and the other is a .....wanna guess? .... prohormone!!! Yup, that's easy,wasn't it?!?

    Ok, differences... SDNG is a mild PH mixed with a good stim. Gains on it are modest, and it does work very well as a pre-w/o booster. Post cycle therapy is required - and our aPCT (Advanced PCT) will cover it. Downside - SDNG has been discontinued as AX decided not to produce it any more. Whatever is left for sale wherever is all that's around.

    3-AD... Much more potent prohormone, but very high on the safety scale. No cycle support products are necessary as it isn't a methylated product and won't do the liver damage that methyls will. Gains on it are very solid, cycle length can be relatively short with good success, and still, PCT is easy as pie.

    However.... depending on your actual experience with supplementation, I wouldn't recommend either of these quite yet. If you are new to supps, but not the gym, I'd start lighter. If you're looking at our products and want a good, easy, effective stack, look into MassFX Max Strength and HyperdrolX2. Stack 'em, run with 'em, no PCT required.

    Any questions, just ask.
    pro hormone steroid same thing. u take it it converts to a steroid in your body. either way the OP shouldn't be taking either one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Yeah brother Tim!

    I still have some SDNG around that i'll be using soon. 3-AD should stack well with Havoc. Something i have yet to do in the near future!

    i actually am doing that right now(epistane and 3ad). i decided to do kind of a bridge, because i figured that there is more potential for gains if its during a 6 week period than a 4, plus they would be more easily maintainable. i ran weeks 1-4 3ad at 6 caps a day, and 2-6 epi at 20/30/40/40. im loving it, starting my last week soon, and have had no sides and im up 9 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroticism View Post
    i actually am doing that right now(epistane and 3ad). i decided to do kind of a bridge, because i figured that there is more potential for gains if its during a 6 week period than a 4, plus they would be more easily maintainable. i ran weeks 1-4 3ad at 6 caps a day, and 2-6 epi at 20/30/40/40. im loving it, starting my last week soon, and have had no sides and im up 9 lbs.
    Great to hear man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Great to hear man!
    thats a cycle you'll really enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroticism View Post
    thats a cycle you'll really enjoy.
    I look forward to it brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    pro hormone steroid same thing. u take it it converts to a steroid in your body. either way the OP shouldn't be taking either one
    Sorry, man. REALLY don't mean to offend, but just to educate...

    Prohormone - converts to a target hormone in the body.
    "Steroid" - (using the term loosely)already is the hormone and is taken in various fashions to augment the body's natural supply.

    Also - prohormone = legal. Steroid = not so legal.

    Keeping in mind here that by using the word "steroid", we're assuming you mean Anabolic Steroids in the classical just-injected-into-my-ass-to-get-heyooge sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Sorry, man. REALLY don't mean to offend, but just to educate...

    Prohormone - converts to a target hormone in the body.
    "Steroid" - (using the term loosely)already is the hormone and is taken in various fashions to augment the body's natural supply.

    Also - prohormone = legal. Steroid = not so legal.

    Keeping in mind here that by using the word "steroid", we're assuming you mean Anabolic Steroids in the classical just-injected-into-my-ass-to-get-heyooge sense.
    prohormones are legal until the gov't catches on. just like the legal steroids out there. u can't sit there and tell a guy who doesn't know anything about the stuff that a pro hormone isn't a steroid because when u swallow it and it runs through your system it becomes one. and when i do say steroid i don't mean inject in @ss stuff because there are a ton of oral steroids out there to. i know what you're trying to do and i respect that. but when it comes down to it a pro hormone is a steroids if it didn't become that in your body you wouldn't be taking it. if u wanna say a pro hormone is a pro hormone and a steroid is a steroid then that's fine. in the eyes of the law that's a loop hole that can be used to get around it. but in all reality it's a synthetic steroid just because it's not a steroid in pill form it converts to one in the body. i guess i'm just saying to pretend like it's something it's not when everybody knows what it really is.
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    Anabolic precursors were banned in 2004 by the way aka pro hormones
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    Ugh...

    Then I gracefully bow out of this game of symantics and definitions. Perhaps someone else can shed some light instead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    Anabolic precursors were banned in 2004 by the way aka pro hormones
    Only a certain list of specific prohormones were banned in 2004. For instance, DHEA, estradienedione, and androstadienedione were not featured in this list.

    Let's also not bastardize the pharmacokinetic and metabolic differences between prohormones and steroids, which your earlier posts seem to imply. For example, taking androstenedione is not "just like taking testosterone" by any means. Although a prohormone is designed to either take on or remove a proton (thus activating itself), to become some sort of active steroid, there is a notable difference between taking the active steroid and/or its prohormone cousin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Only a certain list of specific prohormones were banned in 2004. For instance, DHEA, estradienedione, and androstadienedione were not featured in this list.

    Let's also not bastardize the pharmacokinetic and metabolic differences between prohormones and steroids, which your earlier posts seem to imply. For example, taking androstenedione is not "just like taking testosterone" by any means. Although a prohormone is designed to either take on or remove a proton (thus activating itself), to become some sort of active steroid, there is a notable difference between taking the active steroid and/or its prohormone cousin.
    is there a slight difference yes there is. and the only ones that haven't been banned are the new ones that aren't known about yet. pro hormones are still roids no matter how u wanna try to explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Ugh...

    Then I gracefully bow out of this game of symantics and definitions. Perhaps someone else can shed some light instead...
    sorry. even with technical terms a pro hormone is an innactive steroid. would u suggest a teenager take a pro hormone? no u wouldn't because it would screw them up just like a steroid would
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    In the last two decades, prohormones have also been used by bodybuilders, athletes, and nonmedical users of anabolic steroids and other hormones to refer to substances that are expected to convert to active hormones in the body. The intent is to provide the putative benefits of taking an anabolic steroid without the legal risks, and to achieve the hoped-for benefits or advantages without use of anabolic steroids themselves. However, since prohormones are now listed alongside anabolic steroids themselves, they are classified as illegal and subject to the much tighter regulatory requirements of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) which apply to prescription hormones. The US Food and Drug Administration moved to halt sales of androstenedione, a dietary supplement marketed as a muscle enhancer that officials said can stunt growth in children's penises and cause problematic sexual changes in adults. "This is a critical part of the FDA's broad crackdown on unsafe dietary supplements," said Dr. Mark McClellan, the FDA commissioner, at a news conference. "While andro products may seem to have short-term benefits, the science shows that these same properties create real and significant health risks." [1]
    A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.
    Prohormones are used mainly by athletes looking to increase size, strength, endurance, reduce recovery time or add lean body mass. They are most often used for increasing muscle mass or reducing body fat levels. Life extension groups are also increasingly using prohormones as a means of hormone replacement therapy, as an alternative to prescription drug use.
    The use of prohormones has become popular among bodybuilders, since the effects can be similar (though normally much less drastic) to those achieved through the use of synthetic anabolic steroids, including gains in muscular strength and hypertrophy. There are currently many companies manufacturing prohormone products for this purpose.
    Prohormones have the same side effects as anabolic steroids, and are dependent upon the user as to which side effects one might experience. Some side effects are acne, hair loss, breast tissue enlargement, and prostate swelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    In the last two decades, prohormones have also been used by bodybuilders, athletes, and nonmedical users of anabolic steroids and other hormones to refer to substances that are expected to convert to active hormones in the body. The intent is to provide the putative benefits of taking an anabolic steroid without the legal risks, and to achieve the hoped-for benefits or advantages without use of anabolic steroids themselves. However, since prohormones are now listed alongside anabolic steroids themselves, they are classified as illegal and subject to the much tighter regulatory requirements of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) which apply to prescription hormones. The US Food and Drug Administration moved to halt sales of androstenedione, a dietary supplement marketed as a muscle enhancer that officials said can stunt growth in children's penises and cause problematic sexual changes in adults. "This is a critical part of the FDA's broad crackdown on unsafe dietary supplements," said Dr. Mark McClellan, the FDA commissioner, at a news conference. "While andro products may seem to have short-term benefits, the science shows that these same properties create real and significant health risks." [1]
    A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.
    Prohormones are used mainly by athletes looking to increase size, strength, endurance, reduce recovery time or add lean body mass. They are most often used for increasing muscle mass or reducing body fat levels. Life extension groups are also increasingly using prohormones as a means of hormone replacement therapy, as an alternative to prescription drug use.
    The use of prohormones has become popular among bodybuilders, since the effects can be similar (though normally much less drastic) to those achieved through the use of synthetic anabolic steroids, including gains in muscular strength and hypertrophy. There are currently many companies manufacturing prohormone products for this purpose.
    Prohormones have the same side effects as anabolic steroids, and are dependent upon the user as to which side effects one might experience. Some side effects are acne, hair loss, breast tissue enlargement, and prostate swelling.

    Its cuz of people like you that we have to fight to hold on to things like prohormones.... don't take them or deal with them if you don't like and let others be.

    I do agree with no one under 21 using em though, too many chemical reactions going on at that time. And if you are giving a kid advice on them ,i agree some teen shouldn't use em. But at the same time don't be biased and bash companies and products that work great. when properly used a prohormone can be very safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Its cuz of people like you that we have to fight to hold on to things like prohormones.... don't take them or deal with them if you don't like and let others be.

    I do agree with no one under 21 using em though, too many chemical reactions going on at that time. And if you are giving a kid advice on them ,i agree some teen shouldn't use em. But at the same time don't be biased and bash companies and products that work great. when properly used a prohormone can be very safe.
    i'm not bashing anything. i've taken them. i'm just saying people need to know that they are technically steroids. people see the term pro hormone and think it's safe. i wasn't bashing the product, i wasn't bashing the company, i wasn't bashing anything. just saying they are roids, legally no but once u ingest them chemically they are. nobody under 21 should take them. and the reason stuff like that needs to be fought for to be kept is because of ignorant people who used them. i know someone who did 3 straight months of d-drol with no pct. because it's legal they don't believe it's a roid or will have any negative effect on them. i was telling the OP that he has no need for them at his height weight and age and not to confuse pro hormones with being something thats safe.(yes i know they can be safe if taken right) but the guy posting is 16 i think
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i know someone who did 3 straight months of d-drol with no pct. because it's legal they don't believe it's a roid or will have any negative effect on them. i was telling the OP that he has no need for them at his height weight and age and not to confuse pro hormones with being something thats safe.(yes i know they can be safe if taken right) but the guy posting is 16 i think

    Aight, thats just the vibe I got from your posts. They were the kinda vibes the librarian gives off when she yells at you.....

    3 months of d-drol no pct? does his manhood still work anymore?

    I understand making it known about the risks, but you almost sounded like you hated em.

    true though, i believe people into lifting and body building have a responsibility to protect the newcomers who see*easy huge gains from a pill* and think hey I can eat em like candy and not worry what to do before,during, or after taking em.

    No hate bro, I just thought you were being harsh or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Aight, thats just the vibe I got from your posts. They were the kinda vibes the librarian gives off when she yells at you.....

    3 months of d-drol no pct? does his manhood still work anymore?

    I understand making it known about the risks, but you almost sounded like you hated em.

    true though, i believe people into lifting and body building have a responsibility to protect the newcomers who see*easy huge gains from a pill* and think hey I can eat em like candy and not worry what to do before,during, or after taking em.

    No hate bro, I just thought you were being harsh or something.
    no problem, hard to tell how somebody u don't know means to come across on an internet forum. as for the guy on the d-drol i've never met him. he was buying it off a guy i know who owns a gym. he did eventually buy 6-oxo for pct the dude is probably gonna have a heart attack within the next 6 months and start peeing out his liquified liver. he was warned but he still thought 2 weeks of 6-oxo between 3 straight cycles of d-drol no less was fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    no problem, hard to tell how somebody u don't know means to come across on an internet forum. as for the guy on the d-drol i've never met him. he was buying it off a guy i know who owns a gym. he did eventually buy 6-oxo for pct the dude is probably gonna have a heart attack within the next 6 months and start peeing out his liquified liver. he was warned but he still thought 2 weeks of 6-oxo between 3 straight cycles of d-drol no less was fine.
    and this is how people end up on the news....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    and this is how people end up on the news....
    he was told what pct to buy what supps to take afterwards, but he threw on like 30lbs and didn't want to stop. i'm guessing he's lost it all by now
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    he was told what pct to buy what supps to take afterwards, but he threw on like 30lbs and didn't want to stop. i'm guessing he's lost it all by now
    man... If i put on 20 pounds, I would be happy, stop, and work my hardest though PCT to keep at least 12 of it easy.

    He got muscle greedy and paid the price!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    man... If i put on 20 pounds, I would be happy, stop, and work my hardest though PCT to keep at least 12 of it easy.

    He got muscle greedy and paid the price!
    i guess it would be alright but d-drol has like 3 roids in it at like 4 times the normal dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i guess it would be alright but d-drol has like 3 roids in it at like 4 times the normal dose

    yummie.... i still cant believe 3 straight months and not wanting to do a PCT....he probably wasn't even dosing right either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    yummie.... i still cant believe 3 straight months and not wanting to do a PCT....he probably wasn't even dosing right either.
    1 pill is like 110mg's and it says to take 1-2 a day. so he was taking at least 2 a day
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    Is dat dere Cell-tech a roid, too?!?

    My point is, and has always been, that there is a distinction between the two. I'm not arguing it any longer. But for anyone who comes here or anywhere screaming the "S" word as a blanket term for everything on the market that is even remotely hormonal, then it is in the best interest of everyone else to throw up the red flag. It is folks who blanket the world with generalizations who will ruin it for us all.

    And yes, the OP is underage. I've been advising him IN PRIVATE instead of in this thread simply because I wanted him to not have to wade through the tall grasses to find the advice that he needs. And no, I didn't advise him incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    is there a slight difference yes there is. and the only ones that haven't been banned are the new ones that aren't known about yet. pro hormones are still roids no matter how u wanna try to explain it.
    As a chemist, I think "steroids" are a much broader range than even you're willing to give credit to. Believe whatever you want, I suppose. Prohormones are not toys, and need to be used responsibly, but this goes with (should go with) a lot of things.

    I also wouldn't say "only the new ones are the ones that aren't banned yet". What exactly is this claim being based on? A lot of these "prohormones" are often intermediates in the synthesis of active the active steroids. If you have access to Vida or Merck, I'm sure you'll find there are actually a ton of prohormones that are "known", "legal", and still not yet brought out onto the market. Usually due to market feasibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Is dat dere Cell-tech a roid, too?!?

    My point is, and has always been, that there is a distinction between the two. I'm not arguing it any longer. But for anyone who comes here or anywhere screaming the "S" word as a blanket term for everything on the market that is even remotely hormonal, then it is in the best interest of everyone else to throw up the red flag. It is folks who blanket the world with generalizations who will ruin it for us all.

    And yes, the OP is underage. I've been advising him IN PRIVATE instead of in this thread simply because I wanted him to not have to wade through the tall grasses to find the advice that he needs. And no, I didn't advise him incorrectly.

    wow dude. yes u win cell tech is a roid to. pro hormones COVERT TO STEROIDS. if it's not a roid then next time u do one don't use any pct because obviously it doesn't need it because it's not a steroid. if cell tech did that to then yes i would call it a roid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    As a chemist, I think "steroids" are a much broader range than even you're willing to give credit to. Believe whatever you want, I suppose. Prohormones are not toys, and need to be used responsibly, but this goes with (should go with) a lot of things.

    I also wouldn't say "only the new ones are the ones that aren't banned yet". What exactly is this claim being based on? A lot of these "prohormones" are often intermediates in the synthesis of active the active steroids. If you have access to Vida or Merck, I'm sure you'll find there are actually a ton of prohormones that are "known", "legal", and still not yet brought out onto the market. Usually due to market feasibility.
    anabolic precursors are banned. that's why 1AD and 4AD and all those were all banned back in 2004
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    banned just means its funner to get your hands on em.

    Didnt ergo just come out with a recreated version o 1AD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    banned just means its funner to get your hands on em.

    Didnt ergo just come out with a recreated version o 1AD?
    yea but its not the same thing. don't know exactly what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    yea but its not the same thing. don't know exactly what it is.

    I remember reading up on it. Its a precursor to the precursors..... lol.

    Here ya go!



    Half tempted to try this next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    I remember reading up on it. Its a precursor to the precursors..... lol.

    Here ya go!



    Half tempted to try this next year.
    why bother. u can still by like m1t online. skip the conversion and add a methyl. go balls out or nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    why bother. u can still by like m1t online. skip the conversion and add a methyl. go balls out or nothing

    True, True. I have studied the methyl thing alot, and really know that with proper cycle support and PCT your can protect your organ properly. Just not ready to jump in yet. I have to completly heal from achilles tendonitis first, and get my left shoulder checked. After that though I am planning on a heluva bulk next year... m1t is a pure AAS though isnt it?

    wait. I am not going to do any AAS, just PH.
    MOD EDIT: Not appropriate.

    (takes some searching, you will se a post soon with me asking about manufacturers), I want to do Havoc or Epi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    True, True. I have studied the methyl thing alot, and really know that with proper cycle support and PCT your can protect your organ properly. Just not ready to jump in yet. I have to completly heal from achilles tendonitis first, and get my left shoulder checked. After that though I am planning on a heluva bulk next year... m1t though, would that really be good for a 1st cycle?
    1st cycle ever? probably not. i personally don't think it's that bad. i mean ur only running it for a month. and with all ur supports supps you'll be fine. definately would have to get nolva. i wouldn't trust an ATD for pct. might wanna try havoc or epistane instead. i think superdol is still legal too
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    1st cycle ever? probably not. i personally don't think it's that bad. i mean ur only running it for a month. and with all ur supports supps you'll be fine. definately would have to get nolva. i wouldn't trust an ATD for pct. might wanna try havoc or epistane instead. i think superdol is still legal too

    LOL dude, check the edit I made right before you made that post. Friggin awsome. I was one step ahead of you!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    LOL dude, check the edit I made right before you made that post. Friggin awsome. I was one step ahead of you!!!!
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