3-AD vs. Superdrol-ng

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Is dat dere Cell-tech a roid, too?!?

    My point is, and has always been, that there is a distinction between the two. I'm not arguing it any longer. But for anyone who comes here or anywhere screaming the "S" word as a blanket term for everything on the market that is even remotely hormonal, then it is in the best interest of everyone else to throw up the red flag. It is folks who blanket the world with generalizations who will ruin it for us all.

    And yes, the OP is underage. I've been advising him IN PRIVATE instead of in this thread simply because I wanted him to not have to wade through the tall grasses to find the advice that he needs. And no, I didn't advise him incorrectly.

    wow dude. yes u win cell tech is a roid to. pro hormones COVERT TO STEROIDS. if it's not a roid then next time u do one don't use any pct because obviously it doesn't need it because it's not a steroid. if cell tech did that to then yes i would call it a roid.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    As a chemist, I think "steroids" are a much broader range than even you're willing to give credit to. Believe whatever you want, I suppose. Prohormones are not toys, and need to be used responsibly, but this goes with (should go with) a lot of things.

    I also wouldn't say "only the new ones are the ones that aren't banned yet". What exactly is this claim being based on? A lot of these "prohormones" are often intermediates in the synthesis of active the active steroids. If you have access to Vida or Merck, I'm sure you'll find there are actually a ton of prohormones that are "known", "legal", and still not yet brought out onto the market. Usually due to market feasibility.
    anabolic precursors are banned. that's why 1AD and 4AD and all those were all banned back in 2004
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  3. banned just means its funner to get your hands on em.

    Didnt ergo just come out with a recreated version o 1AD?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    banned just means its funner to get your hands on em.

    Didnt ergo just come out with a recreated version o 1AD?
    yea but its not the same thing. don't know exactly what it is.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    yea but its not the same thing. don't know exactly what it is.

    I remember reading up on it. Its a precursor to the precursors..... lol.

    Here ya go!



    Half tempted to try this next year.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    I remember reading up on it. Its a precursor to the precursors..... lol.

    Here ya go!



    Half tempted to try this next year.
    why bother. u can still by like m1t online. skip the conversion and add a methyl. go balls out or nothing

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    why bother. u can still by like m1t online. skip the conversion and add a methyl. go balls out or nothing

    True, True. I have studied the methyl thing alot, and really know that with proper cycle support and PCT your can protect your organ properly. Just not ready to jump in yet. I have to completly heal from achilles tendonitis first, and get my left shoulder checked. After that though I am planning on a heluva bulk next year... m1t is a pure AAS though isnt it?

    wait. I am not going to do any AAS, just PH.
    MOD EDIT: Not appropriate.

    (takes some searching, you will se a post soon with me asking about manufacturers), I want to do Havoc or Epi.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    True, True. I have studied the methyl thing alot, and really know that with proper cycle support and PCT your can protect your organ properly. Just not ready to jump in yet. I have to completly heal from achilles tendonitis first, and get my left shoulder checked. After that though I am planning on a heluva bulk next year... m1t though, would that really be good for a 1st cycle?
    1st cycle ever? probably not. i personally don't think it's that bad. i mean ur only running it for a month. and with all ur supports supps you'll be fine. definately would have to get nolva. i wouldn't trust an ATD for pct. might wanna try havoc or epistane instead. i think superdol is still legal too

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    1st cycle ever? probably not. i personally don't think it's that bad. i mean ur only running it for a month. and with all ur supports supps you'll be fine. definately would have to get nolva. i wouldn't trust an ATD for pct. might wanna try havoc or epistane instead. i think superdol is still legal too

    LOL dude, check the edit I made right before you made that post. Friggin awsome. I was one step ahead of you!!!!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    LOL dude, check the edit I made right before you made that post. Friggin awsome. I was one step ahead of you!!!!
    MOD EDIT: Not very smart. Bye.

  11. New to this Thread, what up! been reading this interesting thread.
    I used to be one of them 1-AD guys back in the day! getting back into fitness again.... now lets get back to what that poor kid originally was talking about.

    3-AD does it REALLY work like the original 1-AD? because i JUST ordered it today, so i hope it wasnt a waste of my cash. my diet is beyond perfect, I have lots of experiences in fitness, and the whole pro hormone thing, well..... i like to say i Used to 'know'.

    So whats up with the 3-AD fast gains like the 1AD? or what

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Kerrblur View Post
    New to this Thread, what up! been reading this interesting thread.
    I used to be one of them 1-AD guys back in the day! getting back into fitness again.... now lets get back to what that poor kid originally was talking about.

    3-AD does it REALLY work like the original 1-AD? because i JUST ordered it today, so i hope it wasnt a waste of my cash. my diet is beyond perfect, I have lots of experiences in fitness, and the whole pro hormone thing, well..... i like to say i Used to 'know'.

    So whats up with the 3-AD fast gains like the 1AD? or what
    3ad is nothing like 1 ad. it's safer non methylated and can be run longer more like 6-8 weeks i think. not huge gains but good gaines you'll keep

  13. Well do You or anyone else here taken it and have like unbiased results, within the given cycle time.? what i mean is, with all the threads i been checking, its been representatives posing on threads pretending to be happy customers and all that garbage so. . . for example you know, like 9 solid lbs in a certain time. Strength is what I would be shooting for the most, could care less bout the lbs gains, that comes in time.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Kerrblur View Post
    Well do You or anyone else here taken it and have like unbiased results, within the given cycle time.? what i mean is, with all the threads i been checking, its been representatives posing on threads pretending to be happy customers and all that garbage so. . . for example you know, like 9 solid lbs in a certain time. Strength is what I would be shooting for the most, could care less bout the lbs gains, that comes in time.
    i have not but everything ax puts out is great

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Kerrblur View Post
    Well do You or anyone else here taken it and have like unbiased results, within the given cycle time.? what i mean is, with all the threads i been checking, its been representatives posing on threads pretending to be happy customers and all that garbage so. . . for example you know, like 9 solid lbs in a certain time. Strength is what I would be shooting for the most, could care less bout the lbs gains, that comes in time.
    As much as I hate using this phrase.... check the logs! Many many many of them are NOT reps for AX. (We actually don't log too much these days.) If they were reps, you'd see it in their status or siggy (like mine here). To me, when another rep for another company does an unsponsored log of our products, it's the ultimate pat on the back to get a good word from them. If they can do it honestly and without bias due to competition between businesses, their word is good in my book. But, there have to be a fart-ton of logs of it alone and stacked floating around nowadays.

    But good luck in any case. If you need any help, just hit us up!
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    Woah, woah, woah... WTF, man? Strong ignorance in the posting!! Don't hate!!!

    Let me 'splain... NONE OF THEM ARE STEROIDS!!!!! Where this notion came from is completely beyond me. One is a prohormone, and the other is a .....wanna guess? .... prohormone!!! Yup, that's easy,wasn't it?!?

    Ok, differences... SDNG is a mild PH mixed with a good stim. Gains on it are modest, and it does work very well as a pre-w/o booster. Post cycle therapy is required - and our aPCT (Advanced PCT) will cover it. Downside - SDNG has been discontinued as AX decided not to produce it any more. Whatever is left for sale wherever is all that's around.

    3-AD... Much more potent prohormone, but very high on the safety scale. No cycle support products are necessary as it isn't a methylated product and won't do the liver damage that methyls will. Gains on it are very solid, cycle length can be relatively short with good success, and still, PCT is easy as pie.

    However.... depending on your actual experience with supplementation, I wouldn't recommend either of these quite yet. If you are new to supps, but not the gym, I'd start lighter. If you're looking at our products and want a good, easy, effective stack, look into MassFX Max Strength and HyperdrolX2. Stack 'em, run with 'em, no PCT required.

    Any questions, just ask.
    What am doing wrong?? I did a 3 week cycle with SDNG (2 morning & 1 mid day) and got big gains in both strength and size. Now I have followed it up immediately with 3-ad (2 morning & 2 mid day)and I'm into week 2 with decreases in strength and size. I have been watching my diet on this second cycle and consuming much less junk but still taking the 20 g of fat and tons of protein.

  17. What about the nitrix cell tech stack??? I hear it can give the same and sometimes better results then these prohormones and it is supposedly much safer(more expensive too) But just like pro h's they need to be cycled because your body will get use to it and the effects will cease. I know I took just nitrix alone with alot of protien for two months and made very good gains (I was irritable as all hell in the first 2 weeks though)Does anybody have an opinion on that?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by rmvc1977 View Post
    What am doing wrong?? I did a 3 week cycle with SDNG (2 morning & 1 mid day) and got big gains in both strength and size. Now I have followed it up immediately with 3-ad (2 morning & 2 mid day)and I'm into week 2 with decreases in strength and size. I have been watching my diet on this second cycle and consuming much less junk but still taking the 20 g of fat and tons of protein.
    15-20g of fat with EACH dose. please post up your diet, height and weight and maybe i can help you out
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by sublimejeh View Post
    15-20g of fat with EACH dose. please post up your diet, height and weight and maybe i can help you out
    I'm 32 5'9 170lb. lean. I wake up at about 4pm when I took SDNG I would take two caps and one trisorbagen, I would then take one more cap with another trisorbagen about 5 to 6 hours later, I would eat McDonalds whole pizzas ect and consume about 200 grams of protien in shakes on top of that. usually working out after the second 3-4 hours after second dose after 3 weeks I was up to 185 and put on 10 or more pounds on every exercise with ease. after that 3 weeks I started 3-ad, waking up the same time and poping 2 caps with trisorbagen and drinking some olive oil, then 2 more caps without trisorbagen about 4-5 hours later. I still take in about 150grams of protien through shakes but other then that I eat a two veggie omlettes and maybe some ham or sausage each day, I've probably cut my cal intake from 3000 or more to a bit more then 1000 a day. Of coyrse I'm going to lose size, but I've also lost strength, I lost about half the strength that I'd gained and have been consistant there, this is my second wek on 3-ad....

  20. Quote Originally Posted by sublimejeh View Post
    15-20g of fat with EACH dose. please post up your diet, height and weight and maybe i can help you out
    OH yeah and another shot of onlive oil with the second dose as well...But the good thing is no sides and my mood is much more mellow.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by rmvc1977 View Post
    I'm 32 5'9 170lb. lean. I wake up at about 4pm when I took SDNG I would take two caps and one trisorbagen, I would then take one more cap with another trisorbagen about 5 to 6 hours later, I would eat McDonalds whole pizzas ect and consume about 200 grams of protien in shakes on top of that. usually working out after the second 3-4 hours after second dose after 3 weeks I was up to 185 and put on 10 or more pounds on every exercise with ease. after that 3 weeks I started 3-ad, waking up the same time and poping 2 caps with trisorbagen and drinking some olive oil, then 2 more caps without trisorbagen about 4-5 hours later. I still take in about 150grams of protien through shakes but other then that I eat a two veggie omlettes and maybe some ham or sausage each day, I've probably cut my cal intake from 3000 or more to a bit more then 1000 a day. Of coyrse I'm going to lose size, but I've also lost strength, I lost about half the strength that I'd gained and have been consistant there, this is my second wek on 3-ad....
    If what I'm thinking is correct, you may be noticing a difference here due to the lack of stimulants. SDNG has a stim that will force you to work harder. You'll feel more energized from it. That was the nature of the product. The gains were mild with it, but I am still glad to hear that you had some good success. 3-AD, on the other hand, has a longer kick-in period. Expecting something wonderous right off the bat may or may not happen. In time, it should, but it's still comparing apples to oranges in terms of products - both still fruit from a tree, but both leaving you with a different taste in your mouth.

    One other potential issue here is that you jumped from one into another...not a good plan. Did you do PCT after SDNG then take a break from it? Even at a low dose of 3/day, you should have still taken some time off before jumping ballz deep into 3-AD.

    Quote Originally Posted by rmvc1977 View Post
    What about the nitrix cell tech stack??? I hear it can give the same and sometimes better results then these prohormones and it is supposedly much safer(more expensive too) But just like pro h's they need to be cycled because your body will get use to it and the effects will cease. I know I took just nitrix alone with alot of protien for two months and made very good gains (I was irritable as all hell in the first 2 weeks though)Does anybody have an opinion on that?
    I'm always amazed at their advertising budget and what some folks will believe. No, the nitrix stack will NOT give you PH-like results or even close. They aren't even close to PH products, other than being more expensive than the general run of the mill supplements. Irritability from these would be due to overstimulation and NOT anything hormonal. It's like saying that the steak you had for dinner last night made you go out and rip the heads off little Suzy's barbie collection. Not gonna happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by rmvc1977 View Post
    OH yeah and another shot of onlive oil with the second dose as well...But the good thing is no sides and my mood is much more mellow.
    That's always good. Watch the diet here. If you did SDNG and put on 10lbs eating McDs all the time, then I'm willing to bet my bike that it was in now way 10lbs of muscle. (And yes, that's a hella huge bet for me.)
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    If what I'm thinking is correct, you may be noticing a difference here due to the lack of stimulants. SDNG has a stim that will force you to work harder. You'll feel more energized from it. That was the nature of the product. The gains were mild with it, but I am still glad to hear that you had some good success. 3-AD, on the other hand, has a longer kick-in period. Expecting something wonderous right off the bat may or may not happen. In time, it should, but it's still comparing apples to oranges in terms of products - both still fruit from a tree, but both leaving you with a different taste in your mouth.

    One other potential issue here is that you jumped from one into another...not a good plan. Did you do PCT after SDNG then take a break from it? Even at a low dose of 3/day, you should have still taken some time off before jumping ballz deep into 3-AD.



    I'm always amazed at their advertising budget and what some folks will believe. No, the nitrix stack will NOT give you PH-like results or even close. They aren't even close to PH products, other than being more expensive than the general run of the mill supplements. Irritability from these would be due to overstimulation and NOT anything hormonal. It's like saying that the steak you had for dinner last night made you go out and rip the heads off little Suzy's barbie collection. Not gonna happen...



    That's always good. Watch the diet here. If you did SDNG and put on 10lbs eating McDs all the time, then I'm willing to bet my bike that it was in now way 10lbs of muscle. (And yes, that's a hella huge bet for me.)
    Well I also ordered about a 6 week supply of hyperdrol2,massfx,tribosorben, leanfx &stimulantx to take all at once(recommended by ax) when I finish the 3-ad I will have just finished a 3 week of superng 3caps daily immediatelt followed by 3-4 weeks 3-ad 4 caps daily... The stack I formentioned requires no pct so should I start on it immediately or should i take my extreme pct for 6 weeks first?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by rmvc1977 View Post
    Well I also ordered about a 6 week supply of hyperdrol2,massfx,tribosorben, leanfx &stimulantx to take all at once(recommended by ax) when I finish the 3-ad I will have just finished a 3 week of superng 3caps daily immediatelt followed by 3-4 weeks 3-ad 4 caps daily... The stack I formentioned requires no pct so should I start on it immediately or should i take my extreme pct for 6 weeks first?
    The 3-ad/superdrol ng would require a light pct, advanced PCT is a great option... 4 weeks, 3 caps per day.

    The other stack you mentioned (HDX2/MassFX/Trisorb/LFX/SX) does NOT require any form of PCT
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by sublimejeh View Post
    The 3-ad/superdrol ng would require a light pct, advanced PCT is a great option... 4 weeks, 3 caps per day.

    The other stack you mentioned (HDX2/MassFX/Trisorb/LFX/SX) does NOT require any form of PCT
    Can I start on my hyperdrol cycle while I'm taking the PCT or do I need to take a break for that month

  25. Quote Originally Posted by rmvc1977 View Post
    Can I start on my hyperdrol cycle while I'm taking the PCT or do I need to take a break for that month
    You could use hyperdrol as a part of PCT, but as for running a hyperdrol cycle with intent of the gains and whatnot akin to that of running a solo cycle, you might want to take a month or two off.

  26. what is this D-Drol and where can i buy that...
    i hear good thing about 3-ad but this d-drol looks better, i want to go back to my weight of 175 lean but can seem to do it and im looking for something hat can get me there

  27. This is getting into a heated thread.

    One of the above posts seemed to implying a ban on stuff like DHEA. DHEA will never be banned - the threat it poses is minimal (both economic and health) and the benefits are hotly debated. The best it might do is cause adrenal fatigue - but so does caffeine. So analogues around DHEA look ok.

    DHEA is as far into this scene as I've ventured BTW...

    Not speaking from experience the question really is shutdown (some PHs pose little threat to the liver) ... But don't underestimate what one of these supplement companies might come up with ... what happens if hCG became orally available? That would change the shutdown scene overnight - it would shut it down (like PCT would be a breeze) and a guy in trouble would just get a jar of hCG or some sort of analogue.

    The thing I wanna know about 3-AD is why its being pulled from production. It seems a solid product... The last I heard was the AX were getting cold feet with the plethora of regulations.

    MassFX and hyperdrolx2 is going well BTW. AX is a bit more expensive than everything else but still if you're prepared to pay a bit over the odds...

  28. T-AD or anyone lol i want a new supplement. what supplement can you reccomend to me im 18 i have my diet down i see better results thewn kids i know on fina flex and some who inject tren and sust because they dont train hard or eat enought im. 5"8 and 210 and still have like 2 top abs and clear outline lost bottom due to eating over my maintance calories on a bulk i was looking at lg m1d but it is a ph so its not safe but i thought preetey much dhea with estrogen blocker so safe for my age so idk. any advise would be appreciated
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