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Old 07-11-2008, 11:59 AM   #1
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Running Hemaguno and Orastan A

I'm about 5'5 at 130lbs, very lean. I started a cycle 2 weeks ago running 50 mg of Hemaguno and 200mg of Orastan A (the original) every day dosed 1 tablet each every 4 hours.

Now I research all the time, however even with the magic of Google, the constant debate, conflicting scientific reports and sometimes lack of specific cross referencing leads to this question. (Which I am sure has been covered to a degree in other forums.)

Now that I am in my last two weeks of the cycle, can I introduce an ATD at just 50 mg (ie Novedex xt) in order to help maintain if anything just a little little HPTA functioning? There are so many arguments on every forum stating how ATD is selective only to the hypothalamus in binding to/blocking the Androgen Receptor and not so much in the muscle tissue.....

While other studies say, it is "universally" blocking ALL androgen receptors.

I'm asking because I know both of the products I'm taking claim to have a low androgenic effect and that hemaguno (epistane) even has positive effects on LH (true??) But some things that are false get spread around. And I don't want to have a nightmare PCT if you know what I mean.

All help would be GREATLY appreciated, and please keep it friendly.
 
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:14 PM   #2
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130? stay home and eat....
 



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Old 07-11-2008, 12:15 PM   #3
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Great question! Man, If we only had a forum where you could find out the answers to these STEROID question? Hmmmmm, Hey how bout going to the STEROID forum and asking again.
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bigpoppapump2....I do eat...I'm 5'5. Probably a little shorter. I eat very high protein and prefer to stay lean than go on a heavy bulk cycle because I'm an actor and martial artist. For my height, line of work and lifestyle, I assure you, my weight and diet are just fine.

Big Bama, I apologize, I wasn't aware I posted in the wrong forum. I read this site all the time but this is actually the first post I've ever made. I'm usually just a "researcher". Thank you for letting me know though. I'll repost to the Steroid forum.
 
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Not to sound like a jerk but in one of lines above you state that you dont want a nightmare PCT.You kind of already started that process by not not having a PCT in line before the cycle.I would get something quikly or you will probably see some adverse effects from the stack.As far as what to take I am no expert.But good luck on the rest of the cycle and your PCT.
 
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JMonster...
You don't sound like a jerk, don't worry. I do have PCT on hand not to fear.

I was going to run a SERM inverse to an ATD.
However even though those two items are mild on suppression, I am running them at high doses. This is also taking into consideration the fact that I am a lil' guy. That being said, at high doses it is safe to say that these products can be suppressive.

The purpose of asking if I can run a low dose ATD while on the last two weeks of my cycle is to make sure that there is even more of a guarantee that my HPTA will be back up and running by the time PCT is done. I am basing this on the research performed on ATD's being possible Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators on the hypothalamus.

Then of course since my PCT involves an inverse taper, I can slowly raise my ATD while lowering the SERM over the course of 4 weeks.

However there are conflicting opinions, studies, anecdotes and theories on these two compounds. So that's why I'm posting this message. To ask the members of this forum flat out what their knowledge/experience has turned up.
 
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