2 bottles of havoc 180 caps for a 246lber?

  1. 2 bottles of havoc 180 caps for a 246lber?


    Hi, i've been lifting now for close to 4 years and would like to try havoc.I am 6"4 246lbs.My ? is can I run 40mgs a day for 6 weeks at my weight.I'm just wondering what you guys think, would 40mgs straight out of the gate be o.k.I also want to so I will not have caps leftover. I also have nolva lined up for pct. I will listen to good advice.Thanks


  2. research Epi/Havoc in the anabolic section of the forum...there's tons of info there

  3. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    research Epi/Havoc in the anabolic section of the forum...there's tons of info there
    i agree here with delsolrob, plenty of info to be had.

    plus you may want to request this thread gets shifted to the correct section

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...s-ph-talk.html
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  4. anabolic section ok.I've read alot about it,i'm just wanting to know if this cycle would be to mild or risky.

  5. Gotcha how do I move it

  6. at the top of the thread "thread tools" select "move"

  7. After you move the thread, check this out:

    Havoc Write-up


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  8. delsol thread tools offerd me a poll and subscribe to

  9. on my threads I can click on the thread tools and there is a section for moderation tools and there is an option there for move...

  10. Maybe a mod can move it later thanks for your time.Trauma great write up, almost answered my ?.....

  11. Quote Originally Posted by boxhead View Post
    Maybe a mod can move it later thanks for your time.Trauma great write up, almost answered my ?.....
    Is that intended to be sarcasm?

    Havoc at 40-50mg/day for 4 weeks should be more than enough for your size imo.

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  12. 40mgs a day for (45 days or 6 weeks) that way I can use all 180 caps,good or no trauma.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by boxhead View Post
    40mgs a day for (45 days or 6 weeks) that way I can use all 180 caps,good or no trauma.
    I don't recommend 6 weeks. I think(40-50mg/day) 4-5 weeks max you should be better overall.

    More is not always better. It's the truth my friend.

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  14. I did 30/40/50/50/50 no sweat at 250.

    Bloodwork came back was laughable, as if I didn't even do a cycle. Then again, I basically inhaled fish oil, cycle support, and liver longer.

  15. just cause your big doesn't mean neg sides wont hit you. I think something on the caliber of steroids should not be misunderstood for supplements. Some certain supplements can be so called "mega dosed" or "overdosed" they all have some sort of negative reaction even if its light. I think havoc is more about how fresh your receptors are. Don't always assume that just cause your big means more. less is more in my opinion, especially if you get owned and run into trouble on high dose. Greed leads to trouble just remember that.

  16. How could 40 for 6 weeks be more than 50 for 5 weeks.Anyways what would be a good cycle for 180 caps for 5 weeks, so I can use all my caps.Thanks in advance.

  17. I didn't once say that cellar,havoc/epi needs to be bumbed up 120 caps imo

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Cellardude View Post
    just cause your big doesn't mean neg sides wont hit you. I think something on the caliber of steroids should not be misunderstood for supplements. Some certain supplements can be so called "mega dosed" or "overdosed" they all have some sort of negative reaction even if its light. I think havoc is more about how fresh your receptors are. Don't always assume that just cause your big means more. less is more in my opinion, especially if you get owned and run into trouble on high dose. Greed leads to trouble just remember that.
    Receptors being fresh is a myth.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by boxhead View Post
    How could 40 for 6 weeks be more than 50 for 5 weeks.Anyways what would be a good cycle for 180 caps for 5 weeks, so I can use all my caps.Thanks in advance.
    Not everyone will respond the same to any given compound. I'm not sure why you're so concerned with using all of your caps? Using them all isn't going to mean better gains in the end.

    I don't think you need anymore than 5 weeks max period.

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Receptors being fresh is a myth.
    oh. I didnt know that! I guess I learned something today. lol

    thanks :]

  21. Don't get me wrong trauma I believe you,I'll have to find the sweet spot,I just hate having extra or especially not enough...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Receptors being fresh is a myth.
    Emo, i agree with you to a degree. However, people that use large doses of AAS for long periods of time definitely have some type of receptor downregulation imo.

    It's like chronic opiate addicts. Tolerace is assesed and more is needed to achieve the same results in the end. I see this everyday in medicine man. I've read the articles that debate it, however i don't agree with it on all accounts by any means.

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Emo, i agree with you to a degree. However, people that use large doses of AAS for long periods of time definitely have some type of receptor downregulation imo.

    It's like chronic opiate addicts. Tolerace is assesed and more is needed to achieve the same results in the end. I see this everyday in medicine man. I've read the articles that debate it, however i don't agree with it on all accounts by any means.
    thats what I though as well. I though the reason why people do so many AAS at once is not because they want to get HUGE (well they do) but I though its because they dont get the same effect as the first run. Thats just what ive always assumed all along however.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Cellardude View Post
    thats what I though as well. I though the reason why people do so many AAS at once is not because they want to get HUGE (well they do) but I though its because they dont get the same effect as the first run. Thats just what ive always assumed all along however.
    There is NO proof as well that AR receptor downregulation doesn't happen either. Based on my real life experience in medicine, i'd be willing to bet a large sum that AR downregualtion does indeed occur.

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  25. 20mgs/first two days 50mgs/35 days (5 weeks) =roughly 1800mgs, is my planned cycle.If I can't tolerate 50mgs I'll send my leftover caps to one of you.

  26. use what you need bro, why use it all when you really don't have to. why put the extra stress on your liver for $20 which is what half a bottle of havoc would cost?

    more = less in this case

  27. Dang! You guys got me rethinking, maybe I'll just buy one bottle and run 30mgs/30 days (900mgs/4 weeks)that way I'll not have an extra 35-40 bucks lying around...

  28. Quote Originally Posted by boxhead View Post
    Dang! You guys got me rethinking, maybe I'll just buy one bottle and run 30mgs/30 days (900mgs/4 weeks)that way I'll not have an extra 35-40 bucks lying around...
    Exactly.......The common american concept is more = better. That couldn't be farther from the truth. In my eyes brother, safety ALWAYS comes first!

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  29. Concept is one thing, reality is I hope I can get good results out of 90 caps like say a 150-170lb person

  30. Quote Originally Posted by boxhead View Post
    Concept is one thing, reality is I hope I can get good results out of 90 caps like say a 150-170lb person
    it's finally good to see someone who had his mind set on something actually take some advice and change his plan and do the right thing.

    reps to you boxhead, who's with me?

  31. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    it's finally good to see someone who had his mind set on something actually take some advice and change his plan and do the right thing.

    reps to you boxhead, who's with me?
    I'm with you b!

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  32. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I'm with you b!
    i knew you would T1, especially after that last havoc thread we were apart of, lol

    you're a good man, respect 2u good sir

  33. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    i knew you would T1, especially after that last havoc thread we were apart of, lol

    you're a good man, respect 2u good sir
    As to you my friend!

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  34. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    As to you my friend!
    OT - we don't drink fosters in new zealand, that's australia, lol

    our flags look the same

  35. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    OT - we don't drink fosters in new zealand, that's australia, lol

    our flags look the same
    My bad!

    Well lets cheers to both an american and new zealand brew!

    I'm actually a half breed of both irish and polish decent. Irish and german beer top my list though!

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  36. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    My bad!

    Well lets cheers to both an american and new zealand brew!

    I'm actually a half breed of both irish and polish decent. Irish and german beer top my list though!
    cheers bro
  

  
 

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