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  1. Pain Killers


    Hey guys,
    I hurt my back the other day so my doctor gave me some oxycodone to dull the pain. while i was at his office i forgot to ask him whether or not it would be ok to take it while i was using sport supplements. does anyone know if it is ok to take oxycodone while on drive, RPM, and Neovar?

    Thanks


  2. well. im not going into detail...but i havent died yet.
    im not suggesting it by any means ..im just saying ive done it more than id like to admit. 3 10mg vics+superpump=my best workouts ever

  3. Quote Originally Posted by ropehead View Post
    well. im not going into detail...but i havent died yet.
    im not suggesting it by any means ..im just saying ive done it more than id like to admit. 3 10mg vics+superpump=my best workouts ever
    that is awesome. you are cool. i miss vicodin !!!!
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by 12STEP View Post
    that is awesome. you are cool. i miss vicodin !!!!
    i wish i could stay away from em. im sure w all the acetaminophen theyre buffered with is doing a 17a-buttkikkin-on my liver

  5. to the OP i wouldnt try it. I mean oxycodone is a very strong pain killer. I doubt you doctor would say its ok to take it with sports sups.

  6. man i had a stash from a apendectemy ,and a finger i cut in half. my brother in law took half of em for his back ,and my aunt took the other half for her knee. now did any of them repay me after they went to the doctor hell no everybody got there cup but they dont chip in. p.s. i only used em for migrains ,and severe pain. i just loved the sleep i would get on it .

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ropehead View Post
    well. im not going into detail...but i havent died yet.
    im not suggesting it by any means ..im just saying ive done it more than id like to admit. 3 10mg vics+superpump=my best workouts ever
    theres certain reasons for that, its pretty interesting when you read into it but its a very bad habit.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ropehead View Post
    well. im not going into detail...but i havent died yet.
    im not suggesting it by any means ..im just saying ive done it more than id like to admit. 3 10mg vics+superpump=my best workouts ever

    Thats 30mg of vic's are you serious?



    Thats a ton of acetaminophen also!


    Please no more... my liver Hurts just reading this thread

  9. my understanding is that oxycontin works on the same paths as NSAIDs and could limit protein synthesis.

    i don't know that it'd be "unhealthy" per se.

  10. our good friend wikipedia says:
    Side effects

    The most commonly reported effects include constipation, fatigue, dizziness, nausea, lightheadedness, headache, dry mouth, pruritus, and diaphoresis. Some patients have also experienced loss of appetite, nervousness, euphoria, anxiety, abdominal pain, diarrhea, dyspnea, and hiccups,[6] although these symptoms appear in less than 5% of patients taking oxycodone. Rarely, the drug can cause impotence, enlarged prostate gland, and decreased testosterone secretion.[5]

  11. i dont trust wiki worth a crap. look it up on an academic journal. to the OP.... i wouldnt do that just to be safe than sorry.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    i dont trust wiki worth a crap. look it up on an academic journal. to the OP.... i wouldnt do that just to be safe than sorry.
    i don't trust wiki either, but i was too lazy to do an exhaustive search.

  13. Honestly, It will probably be OK. Oxycodone like all opiates work on various opiate receptors in the brain and thereby reduce your pain.... Things to avoid while on Oxy:
    1. Muscle relaxers like Soma and Flexiril. This can lead to
    respiratory depress which can lead to DEATH
    2. Fatty meals can also increase the absorption of oxycodone
    significantly.
    Your typical supplement will not cause any serious potentiation of oxycodone.

    Common drugs that should not be mixed with Oxy:
    Cimetidine
    Prozac
    Lasix
    HCTZ

    Hope this helps

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Korben View Post
    Honestly, It will probably be OK. Oxycodone like all opiates work on various opiate receptors in the brain and thereby reduce your pain.... Things to avoid while on Oxy:
    1. Muscle relaxers like Soma and Flexiril. This can lead to
    respiratory depress which can lead to DEATH
    2. Fatty meals can also increase the absorption of oxycodone
    significantly.
    Your typical supplement will not cause any serious potentiation of oxycodone.

    Common drugs that should not be mixed with Oxy:
    Cimetidine
    Prozac or any other SSRI's
    Lasix
    HCTZ

    Hope this helps
    and dont take promethazine...or any other Cytochrome P450 II-D-6 booster...and ull be safe...i THINK it will be ok but i wouldnt do it for very long maybe 2-3 days at most...if the pain is really that bad....any type of opioid shouldnt limit protein synthesis...but im a little rusty in that department (i know theres a reason why i only take opioid's for pain just cant remember)

  15. Thanks Jared. I am a lil unclear as to how Oxy would slow protein synthesis, possibly of the opioid receptor (its a protein) but other places i am not sure... can someone tell me this. It can cause myalgia (muscle pain) and rhabdomyolysis which is the breakdown of muscle fiber that can release myoglobin into the blood which can cause kidney and liver damage. So I guess it can diminish muscle cells but not stop protein synthesis, which would ultimately result in the same thing though....... I think?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by hecktor View Post
    my understanding is that oxycontin works on the same paths as NSAIDs and could limit protein synthesis.

    i don't know that it'd be "unhealthy" per se.
    ive made my best gains on it. but now i have a much worse problem than worrying about catabolism.
    looks like im headed straight for suboxone city.

  17. The Pain Excuse

  18. Quote Originally Posted by asavage24 View Post
    Hey guys,
    I hurt my back the other day so my doctor gave me some oxycodone to dull the pain. while i was at his office i forgot to ask him whether or not it would be ok to take it while i was using sport supplements. does anyone know if it is ok to take oxycodone while on drive, RPM, and Neovar?

    Thanks
    to answer your question, you will be fine taking oxy's with those supplements. the only thing you should be worried about while taking oxy's is your liver, and neither of those 2 supps should be hard on it from what i can see

  19. Grab some N-A-C if you plan on taking a painkiller (esp those with acetaminophen) for extended periods. N-A-C is a great all around supplement anyhow, but in clinical trials it has shown to help with acetaminophen induced hepatoxicity.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Grab some N-A-C if you plan on taking a painkiller (esp those with acetaminophen) for extended periods. N-A-C is a great all around supplement anyhow, but in clinical trials it has shown to help with acetaminophen induced hepatoxicity.
    agreed

  21. I wouldn't worry about the toxicity on your liver. Back in the day I went on a 2 month bender of vicodin, oxycontin and soma. Won't go into details but the milligrams were in the thousands everyday. Liver was and is still doing good.

  22. DAMN, we have a lot of drug users/weight lifters.

  23. We have more housewifes on opiates than heroin addicts. There are many professional athletes that are addicted to pain killers also.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    DAMN, we have a lot of drug users/weight lifters.

    I've steered clear of that stuff now.

    I know you didn't single anyone out and you're not attacking anyone, just didn't want people to get the wrong impression. I'm still new over here.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by thewrx View Post
    We have more housewifes on opiates than heroin addicts. There are many professional athletes that are addicted to pain killers also.
    I agree, believe it takes only a week to get hooked if you take a opiate every day ... bodybuilders live an extreme lifestyle, and when they party they like to go all out (some not all) ... think of it ... You dont dead 500lbs and then go home and read a book at night ... neither do elite athletes

  26. No, not pointed to anyone specifically in this thread. Just a general observation over the years.

  27. Does anyone have any advice on what to say to a doc/what kind of doc to see to get a decent prescription. I have pretty severe pain in my back, both a low back nerve/spine issue and a mid back lat tear.... stops me from sleeping/working now and then, but all my guy is writing me is naproxen which is great for my failing knees but useless otherwise

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Soccer00 View Post
    Does anyone have any advice on what to say to a doc/what kind of doc to see to get a decent prescription. I have pretty severe pain in my back, both a low back nerve/spine issue and a mid back lat tear.... stops me from sleeping/working now and then, but all my guy is writing me is naproxen which is great for my failing knees but useless otherwise
    naproxen is horrible for you

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Soccer00 View Post
    Does anyone have any advice on what to say to a doc/what kind of doc to see to get a decent prescription. I have pretty severe pain in my back, both a low back nerve/spine issue and a mid back lat tear.... stops me from sleeping/working now and then, but all my guy is writing me is naproxen which is great for my failing knees but useless otherwise
    Tell your doc you are going to go somewhere else to get a better scipt... Guarantee he will write you pretty much anything you want, to get that copay. Greed... its a powerful force.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Medic View Post
    naproxen is horrible for you
    elaborate....

  31. Quote Originally Posted by Korben View Post
    Tell your doc you are going to go somewhere else to get a better scipt... Guarantee he will write you pretty much anything you want, to get that copay. Greed... its a powerful force.
    my copay turns out be like 15 bucks. I doubt its of significance to my md

  32. Quote Originally Posted by Soccer00 View Post
    my copay turns out be like 15 bucks. I doubt its of significance to my md
    come on buddy... then he gets to bill your insurance company. Trust me I see this all the time...

  33. Quote Originally Posted by Soccer00 View Post
    elaborate....
    People who take nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDs) (other than aspirin) such as naproxen may have a higher risk of having a heart attack or a stroke than people who do not take these medications. These events may happen without warning and may cause death. This risk may be higher for people who take NSAIDs for a long time
    NSAIDs such as naproxen may cause ulcers, bleeding, or holes in the stomach or intestine. These problems may develop at any time during treatment, may happen without warning symptoms, and may cause death. The risk may be higher for people who take NSAIDs for a long time, are older in age, have poor health, or who drink three or more alcoholic drinks per day while taking naproxen.
    basically, DONT drink on this stuff, DONT take it on a empty stomach, and DONT be on it for more than 2-3 weeks at a time. If your in pain, something is wrong..... if it doesn't "feel better" after 2-3 weeks you need to go see a specialist and get the problem figured out that way. Naproxen is a anti-inflammatory that is just honestly not good for you at all. It is a very serious medication and should really only be taken if you really need it for a short period of time

  34. Quote Originally Posted by Soccer00 View Post
    Does anyone have any advice on what to say to a doc/what kind of doc to see to get a decent prescription. I have pretty severe pain in my back, both a low back nerve/spine issue and a mid back lat tear.... stops me from sleeping/working now and then, but all my guy is writing me is naproxen which is great for my failing knees but useless otherwise
    He's using the working up system. Odds are he said to come back to him if the pain is still bad? Your doctor doesn't want to jump on in and prescribe to you something like roxanol when a lower risk of side effects NSAID will be suffice. It's like troubleshooting, they will try the lowest thing, then work up on the seriousness.

    One thing a great doctor told me was that if I did have pain, don't be afraid to tell a(/your) doctor about it. He was the one who did my hip surgery after finding the problem of SCFE on an X-Ray my ex-doctor didn't... 6 months before .

  35. Quote Originally Posted by ropehead View Post
    well. im not going into detail...but i havent died yet.
    im not suggesting it by any means ..im just saying ive done it more than id like to admit. 3 10mg vics+superpump=my best workouts ever
    If you want to experience the effects of the hydrocodone in vicodin without having to deal with the liver damage associated with all of that acetaminophen you can put them through cold-water extraction and seperate them. You can do it in about 5 minutes, all you need is water, some cups and a coffee filter. You can look it up, or anyone can PM for details. It's a good way to get the hydrocodone while saving your liver. It works with all other opiates too. (codeine, oxycodone, etc.)

  36. Quote Originally Posted by Korben View Post
    Things to avoid while on Oxy:
    1. Muscle relaxers like Soma and Flexiril. This can lead to
    respiratory depress which can lead to DEATH
    Gulp! My doctor just prescribed me Vicodin and Flexeril for severe back spasms and pain resulting from herniated discs. He's the second doctor who has prescribed this combination for me in the past several years.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Medic View Post
    You dont dead 500lbs and then go home and read a book at night ...
    I've actually been known to do that!

  38. Quote Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
    Gulp! My doctor just prescribed me Vicodin and Flexeril for severe back spasms and pain resulting from herniated discs. He's the second doctor who has prescribed this combination for me in the past several years.
    Don't get nervous Bro...I take Percocet 10/325 and Soma all the time. Its not going to kill you unless you pop them like Skittles. I have 4 titanium plates in my neck and a very very large thoracic disc herniation. The meds allow me to have a close to normal life. I would never be able to workout without them. Oh yeah I had an MRI on my shoulder a couple of weeks ago and I have 3 tendon tears. Talk about hurt like a ***** when lifting heavy. Screw it, I'm tired of surgeries.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by retort50ml View Post
    Don't get nervous Bro...I take Percocet 10/325 and Soma all the time. Its not going to kill you unless you pop them like Skittles. I have 4 titanium plates in my neck and a very very large thoracic disc herniation. The meds allow me to have a close to normal life. I would never be able to workout without them. Oh yeah I had an MRI on my shoulder a couple of weeks ago and I have 3 tendon tears. Talk about hurt like a ***** when lifting heavy. Screw it, I'm tired of surgeries.
    Many thanks for sharing that! The Vicodin wasnít quite strong enough for my pain, so the doctor gave me a script for Percocet to take along with the Flexeril. Tomorrow morning I have my second lumbar MRI to see if the discs have undergone any further damage.

    Out of curiosity, and in keeping with the main subject of the thread, are you taking any performance enhancement stuff while consistently using the Percocet? If so, have doctors ever checked your liver enzymes to see how youíre responding to perpetual use of the drug? Iím in the midst of PCT myself right now, and there are certain things that I donít dare stop taking while popping the Percocet. Though we all respond differently to such things, it would be encouraging to hear that a fellow iron combatant has combined the two with minimal risk.

    I hear you on the surgery front. Iíve got a torn labrum in my right shoulder and three herniated discs in my lower back, and Iíve been avoiding the knife for years. But, dude, titanium plates and three tendon tears make me look healthy! I wish you the best of luck in the healing process!

  40. Quote Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
    Many thanks for sharing that! The Vicodin wasnít quite strong enough for my pain, so the doctor gave me a script for Percocet to take along with the Flexeril. Tomorrow morning I have my second lumbar MRI to see if the discs have undergone any further damage.

    Out of curiosity, and in keeping with the main subject of the thread, are you taking any performance enhancement stuff while consistently using the Percocet? If so, have doctors ever checked your liver enzymes to see how youíre responding to perpetual use of the drug? Iím in the midst of PCT myself right now, and there are certain things that I donít dare stop taking while popping the Percocet. Though we all respond differently to such things, it would be encouraging to hear that a fellow iron combatant has combined the two with minimal risk.

    I hear you on the surgery front. Iíve got a torn labrum in my right shoulder and three herniated discs in my lower back, and Iíve been avoiding the knife for years. But, dude, titanium plates and three tendon tears make me look healthy! I wish you the best of luck in the healing process!

    I'm on prescribed HRT/TRT through my Endo. Both my Endo. and Ortho. check my liver values every 3 months or so and they have never been elevated.
  

  
 

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