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    The best new fat burner!


    Hahahaa. Some of you will want to slap me in the face

    I have no new product to announce lol. But let me tell you one thing: Cardio!

    As stupid as this sounds, some are diminishing their calories, but skip cardio once in awhile. WRONG!!!!

    I am training with Michael Elias, and I start to cut June 1st. I was expecting to gain some fat and mass since 2 months ago, when he gave me my new training.. Thing is. I actually am eating more, and doing cardio 4 x a week, I had witnessed some serious recomp! And by serious, I mean more vascular, better mood, harder muscles, ETC!! Not only I noticed it by the way. Everyone I cross tell me I changed big time, I have a deeper gap on my chest and so they see I look bigger (in reality I have a lot more definition)

    Here's my secret: I just do 30 minutes of incline treadmill fast walking. 3 mph to 4. After my weight session.

    First 3 minutes: (warm up) incline 15.0 3.0 MPH
    from 3-4 minutes: 4.1 mph
    from 4-6 minuter: 3.1 mph

    Cycle like this until you reach 30 minutes. The last 2 minutes will do your cool down too.

    Just a thought for all of you who want a beach body

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    That burns about 100-200 calories right?
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    hmmmm...cardio??....does it come in pills or a powder??...can I stack it with Superdrol?

    thanks for all your help in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    That burns about 100-200 calories right?
    I reach 400 on this one.
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    What kind of PCT do I use. Will it counter act my RPM+Drive Stack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    hmmmm...cardio??....does it come in pills or a powder??...can I stack it with Superdrol?

    thanks for all your help in advance
    Ooh yeah, stach with 10 SD pillz pre wo, and you'll be huge and lean. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big BAMA View Post
    What kind of PCT do I use. Will it counter act my RPM+Drive Stack?
    You need a good SERM. Like Novedex XT!!!!!

    Okay, enuf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    Ooh yeah, stach with 10 SD pillz pre wo, and you'll be huge and lean. :P
    your parcel is on its way btw bruv, got mine the other day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    your parcel is on its way btw bruv, got mine the other day!
    Allright man thanks!
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    O yea! Cardio is important but no one really does it anymore. You are looking more ripped than ever man!

    Btw, do you think cardio would stack well with weights? I heard it does but it requires some seriouse PCT because of the seriouse results you'll get. Its only for the hardcore they say... Haha
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    Diet/Sleep > Lifting > Cardio > Supplements

    Should call it the Diet/Sleep axis.



    Below Caloric maintenance diet (CKD) + Low volume heavy weight + low intensity longer duration cardio + supplements that reduce cortisol, and raise RMR, blunt appetite, and increase body temperature = good plan
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    the Star Chem labs fat burner really works, I took two yesterday and slimmed down alot lol, it really works in the first dosing.
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    sorry man...first dosing and you slimmed down??.come on now....
    Quote Originally Posted by eneyman View Post
    the Star Chem labs fat burner really works, I took two yesterday and slimmed down alot lol, it really works in the first dosing.
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    email them and they will send you samples, drop two in the morning on an empty stomach and don't eat until later in the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eneyman View Post
    email them and they will send you samples, drop two in the morning on an empty stomach and don't eat until later in the day.
    im ok, im not knocking the product, but no fat burner will work in terms of actual fat loss with one dose.....just doesnt work like that man. Im glad you enjoyed it, best of luck with it!
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    agree to disagree John, it worked the very first day and I alot of water weight and loose skin seemed to tighten up over the course of the day, but I don't really care what you believe, after all you have another companies name in your screen name..
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    Quote Originally Posted by eneyman View Post
    agree to disagree John, it worked the very first day and I alot of water weight and loose skin seemed to tighten up over the course of the day, but I don't really care what you believe, after all you have another companies name in your screen name..
    haha.....i guess your right agree to disagree. If you knew me at all or have seen any of my posts, I dont pimp palo products at all. I give honest feedback about things so not to sure where you were going with that comment. Like I said, best of luck to ya bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eneyman View Post
    agree to disagree John, it worked the very first day and I alot of water weight and loose skin seemed to tighten up over the course of the day, but I don't really care what you believe, after all you have another companies name in your screen name..
    You know that 10 caps of clen won't even do a thing at the first dose? 1 dose will give you good energy, that's all.

    But if you saw a difference in a day, then good for you.

    I have another companie's name on my sig, but we sell no fat burner, so I guess my opinion counts more lol
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    how badly does that 15 incline kick you ass? you hold it at 15 the entire time?

    ive been doing intervals on the elliptical for a while... i can burn about 300 caloires in about 30 mins (according to the machine)

    i been doing a lot of cardio lately for stress relief (its been a loooong month)... its great on those days when you dont have the motivation to destroy weights.. much better than going home and being lazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    how badly does that 15 incline kick you ass? you hold it at 15 the entire time?

    ive been doing intervals on the elliptical for a while... i can burn about 300 caloires in about 30 mins (according to the machine)

    i been doing a lot of cardio lately for stress relief (its been a loooong month)... its great on those days when you dont have the motivation to destroy weights.. much better than going home and being lazy
    15 incline is great. And yeah I leave it at 15 all the time.

    I still do my weights before though. If you do intervals like this you will see a noticeable difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by eneyman View Post
    email them and they will send you samples, drop two in the morning on an empty stomach and don't eat until later in the day.
    please be careful. this is not healthy.
    you DONT want to take stimulants first thing in the morning and then not eat for a few hours..
    i GUARANTEE you will LOSE WEIGHT doing this, but it will be mostly, if not all, muscle.
    you need food to fuel the muscles, especially after sleep
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    jjohn I tried your idea...

    WOW.. it was much more intense than I'd anticipated.. Thanks for sharing man!
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    I've been doing low intensity on the eliptical 2-3x a week along with HIIT 1-2x a week for cardio... Anyway, your form of cardio looks interesting. Just to clarify, after the warm up you alternate between 4.1mph (for 1-2 minutes) and 3.1mph(for 2-3minutes) for half an hour? Sorry, I just want to make sure I got it right.

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big BAMA View Post
    What kind of PCT do I use. Will it counter act my RPM+Drive Stack?
    Jerk, you stole my idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warriorz View Post
    I've been doing low intensity on the eliptical 2-3x a week along with HIIT 1-2x a week for cardio... Anyway, your form of cardio looks interesting. Just to clarify, after the warm up you alternate between 4.1mph (for 1-2 minutes) and 3.1mph(for 2-3minutes) for half an hour? Sorry, I just want to make sure I got it right.

    thanks.
    After the warm up, do 4.1 mph for 1 minute. Then 3.1 mph for 2 minutes, then 4.1 mph for 1 minute, then 3.1 mph for 2 minutes. Until you reach 30 minutes.
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    Dude jjohn I've been doing this for the past 5 days ever since i read this post, and honestly, all i have to say is damn. Im looking noticeably leaner, and bigger too. I am on recreate and wasnt really seeing any fatloss the first week or so, but after doing this protocol after an intense weights session, Im starting to look pretty damn good man and I attribute 80% of it to the cardio. I seriously think this is making me leaner by the day. Awesome.


    Ps... i can see mad striations in my upper chest, and crazy slices in my obliques, and im still holding a little water from the recreate. If i had a better cam I would take a pic, but ill just wait till I'm done with my little recomp adventure.
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    John buddy, this shiit kicks seriouse ass! I am in no way near the shape of you, but man, with a few more months of this cardio and I will be! I have to go from 2.3 to 3.3 alternating, 3.1 to 4.1 i sway to hard right now, so I am starting out where I can. I go 2.3 for 2 minutes, then 3.3 for 2min, then 2.8 for 2 min, and keep cycling that. It is hard as hell! Definetly didn't think it was going to kick this much ass! thanks bud!
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    No problem guys!! My pleasure!!!
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    There was a big thread about this a couple years ago, not sure which board, but it explained how when doing intervals your body tended to release more of a specific thyroid hormone that preserved muscle better than others while still burning fat. I used intervals after reading the thread and they work very well. Used them when getting in shape for the pic in my avi.


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    Question:
    When on an incline of 15 and going 4.1 MPH do you hold onto the bars? I tried without and its nearly impossible. BTW i cycle between 3.5 and 4.1 .... should I drop down to 3.1?
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    My wife used Michael Elias as a trainer a couple of years ago, she did the same cardio and it was phenomenal. She lost weight quickly but safely. Her mom told her she was too skinny because her clothes were sooo loose and she still had another 10-15 pounds to go. Unfortunately she has been lazy and needs to do the same again. Walking/jogging with the doggy has not been as effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dertynasty View Post
    Question:
    When on an incline of 15 and going 4.1 MPH do you hold onto the bars? I tried without and its nearly impossible. BTW i cycle between 3.5 and 4.1 .... should I drop down to 3.1?
    No. Never hold the bars. Just work your way up. Instead of 3.1 and 4.1, just interval between 2.9 and 3.9, and you'll get better and better.
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    hahahah omfg thats nuts bro,

    at 15 incline there is no, and i mean NO way i was able to not hold onto the bars. NUTTTTTY.

    Aight then I'll give 2.9 - 3.9 a shot but I might not be able to do it without the bars on the 15% incline man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dertynasty View Post
    hahahah omfg thats nuts bro,

    at 15 incline there is no, and i mean NO way i was able to not hold onto the bars. NUTTTTTY.

    Aight then I'll give 2.9 - 3.9 a shot but I might not be able to do it without the bars on the 15% incline man.
    It's just practice You'll get it!
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    Right now i'm doing 45 minutes empty stomach cardio 4 times a week with my heartrate at 130bpm, i was doing some interval work but i'm following the advice of an IFBB pro right now and he told me to drop it, i think your method would be good for post-workout though. For empty stomach cardio i would keep it low intensity steady pace. Oh and i take 2 recreate and 3 powerfull before hand lol
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    I tried it after my session tonight. Thanks for the tip.

    I found it quite easy. Did i read everything right?

    15 incline/1 min of 4.1/2 min of 3.1

    Was ok as far as cardio goes. It's not something i'd dread doing so that's a big bonus.

    Just wondering how difficult i'm supposed to find it because quite a few on here were saying it's very difficult and i don't have super stamina or anything but i found it easy...... so was just wondering if i've mis-understood something?

    Not been a big headed smart-ass or anything. Just want to make sure i'm doing it right. I want the results
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS View Post
    Right now i'm doing 45 minutes empty stomach cardio 4 times a week with my heartrate at 130bpm, i was doing some interval work but i'm following the advice of an IFBB pro right now and he told me to drop it, i think your method would be good for post-workout though. For empty stomach cardio i would keep it low intensity steady pace. Oh and i take 2 recreate and 3 powerfull before hand lol
    Are you taking any BCAAs/EAAs before the AM cardio?
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    just curious, how would you guys say this compares with HIIT cardio 3x week after lifting for 9-12minutes of interval work. not looking for a huge cut, just keeping the fat off during bulking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Are you taking any BCAAs/EAAs before the AM cardio?
    No but i think 5g's bcaa's won't hurt so i'll be adding that in/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS View Post
    No but i think 5g's bcaa's won't hurt so i'll be adding that in/.
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