[BoomerD]

Hey I am new on this forum, but i have been checkin it out now for quite a bit. i just have a question if anyone has used or heard any good or bad reviews of 17 hd. and what they think, is it worht tryin or is there better stuff out there?..

Boomer

[pushinweightw]

From everything I have read it is a waste, but I have never tried it personally. There are so many great products out right now that I just dont take interest in something that I have never read anything positive about.

[JaredGalloway]

i bought 5 sample packs just for fun..and its useless..and if u take too much u just get lightheaded which is from the boost of NOS...but its useless...theres no point in buying a product that costs 50 dollars tahts full of useless ingredients...

[Saurabh]

Originally Posted by BoomerD

Hey I am new on this forum, but i have been checkin it out now for quite a bit. i just have a question if anyone has used or heard any good or bad reviews of 17 hd. and what they think, is it worht tryin or is there better stuff out there?..

Boomer

I beleive you are talking of Vyotech 17 hd. Yes I have tried it and it worked pretty decently. I remember using 17 hd, and Viraloid, about 2 years back and it worked excellent to be honest. Part of the reason why it worked probably was because I was a newcomer to supplement world and my body responded brilliantly. These days unfortunately it takes a bit to see results.

I guess my advise to you is if your body has developed some sort of immune towards supps then dont go for it. But if you are young and havent tried much 17 hd shall work just fine. It is a good product just not dosed heavily.

[JaredGalloway]

Originally Posted by Saurabh

I beleive you are talking of Vyotech 17 hd. Yes I have tried it and it worked pretty decently. I remember using 17 hd, and Viraloid, about 2 years back and it worked excellent to be honest. Part of the reason why it worked probably was because I was a newcomer to supplement world and my body responded brilliantly. These days unfortunately it takes a bit to see results.

I guess my advise to you is if your body has developed some sort of immune towards supps then dont go for it. But if you are young and havent tried much 17 hd shall work just fine. It is a good product just not dosed heavily.

You CANNOT get immuned to natural supplements...maybe you wont tell as much of an effect but it doesnt mean its not working...thats just because u are mentally use to the feeling while working out on them...take DTH for example NOMATTER how many times u run it..it will STILL do its job...terrible advice go to bb.com

[TexasLifter89]

Originally Posted by JaredGalloway

You CANNOT get immuned to natural supplements...maybe you wont tell as much of an effect but it doesnt mean its not working...thats just because u are mentally use to the feeling while working out on them...take DTH for example NOMATTER how many times u run it..it will STILL do its job...terrible advice go to bb.com

that last line was un called for man. you give decent advice and maybe he may have given inaccurate info. AM dot com is better than that

[JaredGalloway]

i apologize i just get VERY irritated by people who give out advice that might even hurt a persons health...not in this case...just ive been aggitated all day by some very annoying people on this site who give out terrible advice...especially the ones about superdrol and PH's...well actaully only the ones about PH's

[TexasLifter89]

yeah Ph advice is hard to give. because it differ between person to person. however support dosages along with serm & proper PCT are all set in stone. no problem on it man. this place is just doing a great job of not becomming bb dot com. and that is the reason it is growing.

[Saurabh]

Originally Posted by JaredGalloway

You CANNOT get immuned to natural supplements...maybe you wont tell as much of an effect but it doesnt mean its not working...thats just because u are mentally use to the feeling while working out on them...take DTH for example NOMATTER how many times u run it..it will STILL do its job...terrible advice go to bb.com

Wow! You must be one senile person to get so quickly riled up. And then you suggest that it is due to annoying responses by other that you get ticked off! What justification Class A loser! And just so you realize, this website is NOT owned by you so stop insinuating where anyone should/shouldnt go fool!

To the topic at bare, of course the body develops resistance to supplements. Heck the human body develops resistance to exercises as well and hence the theory of changing exercises every now and then to shock your muscles(ever heard of it?). A person at age 25 taking supplements for the first time will see more benefit than at 30 if he uses the same supplements. It is just nature at work. No need to get your panties in a twist.

And yes start showing some decency when you speak with people.

[thebigt]

Originally Posted by Saurabh

Wow! You must be one senile person to get so quickly riled up. And then you suggest that it is due to annoying responses by other that you get ticked off! What justification Class A loser! And just so you realize, this website is NOT owned by you so stop insinuating where anyone should/shouldnt go fool!

To the topic at bare, of course the body develops resistance to supplements. Heck the human body develops resistance to exercises as well and hence the theory of changing exercises every now and then to shock your muscles(ever heard of it?). A person at age 25 taking supplements for the first time will see more benefit than at 30 if he uses the same supplements. It is just nature at work. No need to get your panties in a twist.

And yes start showing some decency when you speak with people.

you are right about the body developing a tolerance to supps, that is why it is recommended to cycle off. but i disagree with you on one thing, there are several supps that us older guy's actually respond to better.

[JaredGalloway]

Originally Posted by thebigt

you are right about the body developing a tolerance to supps, that is why it is recommended to cycle off. but i disagree with you on one thing, there are several supps that us older guy's actually respond to better.

if your theory is correct then that would mean DRIVE would lose its effects and be useless after 1-2 cycles of it...which we all know that wont happen and hasnt happened...same as DTH i have run 4 cycles of it and everytime it has delivered exactly what it says...the ONLY way to get "immuned" to supplements is if they are a PH and u have taken many cycles which will render ur androgen receptors almost useless (downregulation) and even this needs more scientific research...so again i say it is impossible to become "immuned" to natural supplements...

im not here to argue...and i already apologized for the way i responded earlier...and it was inappropriate for u to attack me back the way u did...so i apologize again...im not gonna try to convince anymore...

[thebigt]

Originally Posted by JaredGalloway

if your theory is correct then that would mean DRIVE would lose its effects and be useless after 1-2 cycles of it...which we all know that wont happen and hasnt happened...same as DTH i have run 4 cycles of it and everytime it has delivered exactly what it says...the ONLY way to get "immuned" to supplements is if they are a PH and u have taken many cycles which will render ur androgen receptors almost useless (downregulation) and even this needs more scientific research...so again i say it is impossible to become "immuned" to natural supplements...

im not here to argue...and i already apologized for the way i responded earlier...and it was inappropriate for u to attack me back the way u did...so i apologize again...im not gonna try to convince anymore...

whoa-i never attacked you! and listen to what you are saying, you ran cycles so you would not build up a tolerance. even chuck will tell you that after so long dth losses its effectiveness. alot of supps can be run continuosly with no health effects, but cycling off is recommended to prevent diminishing results. natural or not, the body needs a break.

[Red Dog]

yeah, JaredGalloway I think you quoted BigT when you meant to quote Saurabh.

[JaredGalloway]

yes i quoted the wrong person...but if u carefully read Saurabhs post he states "Part of the reason why it worked probably was because I was a newcomer to supplement world and my body responded brilliantly." and goes on to say "if your body has developed some sort of immune towards supps then dont go for it. But if you are young and havent tried much 17 hd shall work just fine"...so if ur old and have used ALOT of supplements 17hd wouldnt work...no thats bogus... if u have tried ALOT of supplements then that means u wont respond to other supplements later in life....

he might not mean that...but he should state more clearly...what he means....not just "if ur young and havent tried much"....then it will work...because we all 17hd doesnt work anyways...

"A person at age 25 taking supplements for the first time will see more benefit than at 30 if he uses the same supplements"...again i say that it is impossible to get immuned to a supplement just because ur older...