[americanzombi]

i've been doing quite a bit of research on PHs, and want to see what everyone thinks of my first cycle thoughts.
is this good as a first one? will the PCT be enough? can i remove part of the PCT? any other suggestions?
i'm 6'0'' 165, only taking weight gainer protein.

PH-
Superdrol
PCT-
6-OXO
Blue-up

open to suggestions

thanks

[DBinMD]

How long have you been working out?
What’s your age?
Superdrol is not a good beginner DS, too many sides and a beginner will gain on almost anything. 6-oxo is not enough for superdrol.
You don’t have any mention of cycle support. You need to do a little more research.

ISTM you should put on a little more size naturally before doing anything horonal.

[pembroke3355]

Superdrol would not be a good 1st cycle and that pct is lacking if you can give us a little more info about yourself we maybe able to help you out good luck bro

[cranghel099]

do more research:
look into h-drol for a first cycle

[ThisGuy02]

As the other guys said, you need to do more research. Ancillaries are a must (BP control, Liver protection, etc.)

PCT is definitely lacking. You need to get yourself some Nolvadex and Clomid, and learn the scheme (40, 40, 20, 20 and 100, 100, 50, 50, respectively. Also FYI, the scheme on the oxo during post is 300, 300, 600, 600).

As for the ph, that is DEFINITELY too harsh. I'd agree, Halo, or one of it's many clones woul dbe a good first time, though you need to be prepared for that also. It really dries your joints, so you'll want some Super Cissus to run during cycle. Better yet would be to go with Epi. That'll put some nice size on you with minimal sides. And if dry gains aren't really a concern, there may be a few other options out there, though for my money, Epi all the way.

[americanzombi]

im 22, ive been lifting for about 4 years, ive put on some size cause i used to be alot smaller, but not for awhile. i feel my diet and training are down. i do 3 days on 1 off, and i eat alot of meat and calories. i just bought a load of weight gainer protein, so im gunna try to just eat retarded abouts of that before i pull the trigger on this.

i read alot of posts of people that didn't think h-drol did much of anything

i dont really have access to Nolvadex and id like to keep it legal. is that absolutly necessary? i need to keep it legal

what about the whole AX stack?

by EPI you mean this:?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/armor/halodiol.html

what would be a good cycle with that?

[cranghel099]

quick note: over the counter weight gainers are usally garbage, low quality protein, loaded with sugar or maltodextrin, not exactly what u wanna be drinking throughout the day if your tryin to maximize muscle mass. Making your own weightgainers usally comes out much cheaper, much better quality. here's a suggestion suggestions:

mixture of caisen/whey/egg protein
steel cut oats
natural peanutbutter
100 mg of ala

quick to prepare, a hell of a lot more effective than those other weightgainers

[DumpTruck]

What's the correct protocol for running Nolva and Clomid together is it what was stated earlier by ThisGuy02?

Nolva (40 ,40 ,20,20)
Clomid(100,100,50 ,50)

[ThisGuy02]

Originally Posted by americanzombi

im 22, ive been lifting for about 4 years, ive put on some size cause i used to be alot smaller, but not for awhile. i feel my diet and training are down. i do 3 days on 1 off, and i eat alot of meat and calories. i just bought a load of weight gainer protein, so im gunna try to just eat retarded abouts of that before i pull the trigger on this.

i read alot of posts of people that didn't think h-drol did much of anything

i dont really have access to Nolvadex and id like to keep it legal. is that absolutly necessary? i need to keep it legal

what about the whole AX stack?

by EPI you mean this:?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/armor/halodiol.html

what would be a good cycle with that?

not sure I follow. If you're referring to be tested for athletics, nolva won't set off. PHs will.

As far as accesability, a quick search on Google will turn about thousands of options.

If you're not prepared to do a proper PCT, do yourself a favor and don't start a PH cycle. You can screw up your test production if you don't do it properly.

[ThisGuy02]

Originally Posted by DumpTruck

What's the correct protocol for running Nolva and Clomid together is it what was stated earlier by ThisGuy02?

Nolva (40 ,40 ,20,20)
Clomid(100,100,50 ,50)

You got it, dude. Other popular option is a change in nolva (40, 30, 20, 10)

[tothetop]

quick question. When running a PCT, Tamoxifen at 40,30,20,10 and an OTC test booseter is not sufficient enough? You should run it with Clomid as well?

[slow-mun]

All questions answered here-
PH/PS AAS Q&A

[americanzombi]

Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

not sure I follow. If you're referring to be tested for athletics, nolva won't set off. PHs will.

As far as accesability, a quick search on Google will turn about thousands of options.

If you're not prepared to do a proper PCT, do yourself a favor and don't start a PH cycle. You can screw up your test production if you don't do it properly.

no, i thought that nolva was a perscription drug

[ThisGuy02]

Originally Posted by americanzombi

no, i thought that nolva was a perscription drug

It is, but plenty of sites will ship it to you anyway. Depending on which compound you decide on, many of them have been banned already anyway, which is why you see them pulled off shelves time and again... and why many of us scramble to pick up two or three bottles at a time of the good ones that come out ; ).

Still, in your search for supplements, you will come by many stores that are trying to get rid of banned product. If you want to avoid the whole gray area, you should just stay away from PHs. There are plenty of safe ways to put on weight without them. AP consistently gets rave reviews, for example, and that only requires a $45 (non-hormonal) bottle and lots of carbs.

[ThisGuy02]

Originally Posted by tothetop

quick question. When running a PCT, Tamoxifen at 40,30,20,10 and an OTC test booseter is not sufficient enough? You should run it with Clomid as well?

The classic, tried and true pct is Nolva, Clomid and your choice of trione product (6-oxo, etc.). Many argue that clomid is overkill and nolva is enough. Personally, I think its worth the extra $40.

[pembroke3355]

H-drol is a very good compound i am running it now and i am getting very good strength gain and the recomp effect are awesome.

Nolva and a otc product like Post Cycle Support or Stoked would be enough in most cases

[tothetop]

thanks for the help!