[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by rampage jackson;

Lost about 6-7% on DNP 400mg/day + Var + A metric ton of varied antioxidants, 2 gals of water daily, and (of course) about 1700 cals a day. Don't do it...

Have to agree. Sounds somewhat hazardous!

[delsolrob]

yes, I agree that it has a TON to do with your baseline! the leaner you are the more difficult the task of dropping your BF %.

In one year I went from over 30% to around 10% without any supps (except I was taking protien)...just nutrition and training. was easy at first and became more and more difficult the lower I got.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by delsolrob;

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In one year I went from over 30% to around 10% without any supps (except I was taking protien)...just nutrition and training....

That is quite a significant achievement. Most people will be satisfied with 10% BF and just concentrate on staying there. Good job!

[delsolrob]

Originally Posted by strategicmove

That is quite a significant achievement. Most people will be satisfied with 10% BF and just concentrate on staying there. Good job!

Thanks Strategic! you should check out my progress pics on my profile...been quite the work in progress!

[VolcomX311]

Originally Posted by delsolrob

yes, I agree that it has a TON to do with your baseline! the leaner you are the more difficult the task of dropping your BF %.

In one year I went from over 30% to around 10% without any supps (except I was taking protien)...just nutrition and training. was easy at first and became more and more difficult the lower I got.

30 to 10!!! Wow, you went from bonified, borderline obesity to a beach body. That's awesome.

My biggest accomplishment was going from 225lbs down to 168lbs in around 6-8 months, running, literally up to 25 miles a week. Needless to say I went from large mammal to simply a skinny guy, but wow, 30 to 10, good job man!

[delsolrob]

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

30 to 10!!! Wow, you went from bonified, borderline obesity to a beach body. That's awesome.

My biggest accomplishment was going from 225lbs down to 168lbs in around 6-8 months, running, literally up to 25 miles a week. Needless to say I went from large mammal to simply a skinny guy, but wow, 30 to 10, good job man!

Volcom, that's awesome!

shoot, that's basically what I did! I went from 230 to 164 (I'm only 5'10")...got to the point where I was doing cardio multiple times a day for 30 to 40 minutes each time...probably close to 45 miles a week, plus a ton of weight training!

been bulking for a while now and I'm up to about 190 at 14%. my ultimate goal is 185 @ 8% (need to swap about 10 pounds of fat for 10 pounds of muscle and I'm golden)...then I just need to figure out how to maintain:-D

[VolcomX311]

Originally Posted by delsolrob

Volcom, that's awesome!

shoot, that's basically what I did! I went from 230 to 164 (I'm only 5'10")...got to the point where I was doing cardio multiple times a day for 30 to 40 minutes each time...probably close to 45 miles a week, plus a ton of weight training!

been bulking for a while now and I'm up to about 190 at 14%. my ultimate goal is 185 @ 8% (need to swap about 10 pounds of fat for 10 pounds of muscle and I'm golden)...then I just need to figure out how to maintain:-D

Thats what I was doing also. I was running 8.8 miles/ 4 times a week and two, 9-10 mile sessions on the weekends. I had people drop me off at work and the only way I could get home is if I jogged, so it forced me to do it. I started off with walking home 8.8 miles with a backpack full of books, then after about 3 months, I told myself I could run this route and that was that. However, I did lose a ton, I mean a ton of strength. But that was years ago.

185lbs@8% is a clean look. I'm looking for 200-205lbs at 12% for me. I was 197lbs last summer, and I made my way up to 230lbs but Feb '08. Now I'm cutting down again, currently around 223-225lbs. I can hang on to my strength no prob, and as long as I diet right, and not become a cardio nazi which I tend to do the leaner I get, I should be able to hang on to the muscle. Good luck and keep it up.

[rcaz01]

Originally Posted by Hank Vangut

depends where you are starting from -

someone who is 30%+ bf should easily be able to lose more than 2%bf in a month.

but someone who is 9% bf would struggle to lose 1% in a month.

I agree! I always seem to lose muscle along with fat once I get to about 12%. I can stay at 12% to 13% with out too much effort and still eat crap with my kids on the weekends. I do Krav and MMA training so I have plenty of high intensity type of workouts. The last couple of times I have tried to get below 10% I ended up getting sick and losing 5-10 lbs of muscle which is a complete PITA.

My answer to the question would be 1% - 2% in a month if I don't want to lose any muscle and maintain all of my strength. I think the best approach is not to focus on how fast but to just try and have steady BF loss while maintaining muscle. It just takes me too long to put the muscle on as I get older.

Now if I lived in Europe like some of the others I would not be too worried about the supps. When most of you can get things like Var it should be easy to have solid BF reduction. I have not done this but from others I have read or talked to Var paired with diet seems to make becoming very lean a much more simple process.

[DreamWeaver]

Yes recomping is a fairly new idea (to me anyway). It is better to lose slow and preserve muscle. As long as you don't have a deadline. From a competition standpoint you need to bulk at and maintain at where your more efficient and then cut from there. These cuts are deadline based so you're sort of stuck. Now that I don't compete anymore and I'm an endo I just stay in constant recomp. It's much more enjoyable to keep your strenghth while you lose.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by delsolrob;

Thanks Strategic! you should check out my progress pics on my profile...been quite the work in progress!

Good job, Sir! Keep it up!

[packers1200]

i could lose up to 5 per week if i tried. i had an injury recently and got all fat

[maradona10]

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

I have personally gone from around 18% to 6% in 14 weeks. I have seen my partner go from 12% to 4% in around 12 weeks. So In know that it's over 2%. My partner could have gone down faster but both of us were trying to spare muscle for contest. Incidently there was no supplement use for weight loss by either one of us. God knows what's possible with supplementation.

I agree, I competed back in 1998 and I dropped from 14% to 5.5% in 12 weeks.

It is VERY VERY Hard to do and your is constantly wanting carbs..(which of course you can't have).

My only carb meal for the day was 40grms of oats in the morning mixed with protein powder in water.

For the rest of the day..all protein and essential fats.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by maradona10

...I dropped from 14% to 5.5% in 12 weeks...

Must have been a painful experience, even emotionally!